Beating Blackjack

Mister Mister E · #1 03-29-2005, 04:10 AM

Ok guys, I have a couple of comments and questions. Assume you bet $1 at blackjack and lose. You can then bet $2 and lose, $4, $8 and so on, doubling each time. As soon as you win a hand, you drop back down to one dollar. Assuming a very very safe bankroll (and this is very important), you would obviously be able to beat the game. My only question is will an online casino ban you if you are doing this in real money games. I would assume they will, but does anyone have any experience doing this? Is it ethical, etc...
Thanks guys

GrekeHaus · #2 03-29-2005, 04:17 AM

This has been addressed before in the probability forum (and probably elsewhere). Even with an infinite bankroll, this won't work because you'll run into table limits. You'll win most of the time, but when you lose, damn it's gonna hurt.

Yobz · #3 03-29-2005, 04:18 AM

Go ahead and do this, I don't think the casinos would mind taking your money at all.
Martingale systems *DO NOT WORK* and if you need a reason why, you can search here or google for it

Yobz · #4 03-29-2005, 04:19 AM

Oh, and also. When you lose 10 times in row (which has happened to me multiple times, and I'm sure anyone who plays BJ often) you will be risking over $1,000 to win $1. Great bet, huh?

Edit:

I googled for it really quickly, a quick and explanatory note:

"If you believe that you can't lose seven bets in a row take a walk through the casino and look at the display board that is connected to most roulette wheels showing you the twenty previous spins. How many times do you see one color come up more than seven times in a row? I once saw black appear 17 times in a row! If you started with a five dollar bet and doubled up when you lost, your 17th bet would be $327,680."

dink · #5 03-29-2005, 04:20 AM

What you are referring to is called the martingale progression, it is very old and useless unless you have an unlimited bankroll and there is no maximum limit to the amount you can bet.

This is taken from the BJ21 website
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"UP AS YOU LOSE" SYSTEMS

Martingale: This is the most infamous of these types of systems and they all bear some relationship to it. The premise is simple: you double your bet after each loss until you win, then you start over. A common series would look like this: 1 unit, lose, bet two units, lose, bet four units, lose, bet eight units and so on. If you win, you are one unit ahead for your series and you begin again. The problems with this system should be obvious to anyone. Long losing streaks are not uncommon in blackjack, and when you encounter one (and you will, and it will be just long enough to break you), you will lose everything you have gained. A ten-hand losing streak would have your final bet at $2560 if you started with a $5 bet. If you lost it, you would have lost a total of $5115. If you won it, you would have gained $5. You can expect to see about 3 of those losing streaks in every ten hours of play (figuring in pushes, and assuming 100 hands per hour).

Martingale comes in other guises. One of them, some call a "Super Martingale," where you add one unit to your next bet after doubling it. It looks like this: 1-3-7-15-31 and so on. Some hucksters have marketed it as a roulette system and sold it for $40 in a very popular gambling magazine. It is touted as a "power" system. Selling such a system is a scam, pure and simple.

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I remember discovering this system when in high school (many years ago) myself and some friends tried it for hours and hours during lunchtimes and we still came up with the expected result we lost.

don't even think about going there. I have experienced runs of losses in BJ of at least 16 hands in a row and eventually you will get crushed.

just learn basic strategy and bonus whore the online casinos.

for bonus whoring see the FAQ

dink

dink · #6 03-29-2005, 04:21 AM

Man you guys are quick

I so wanted to be the first poster to reply

boo hoo

serves me right for going on

Reef · #7 03-29-2005, 05:02 AM

BJ can only be "beaten" if you are getting a bonus (i.e. casino whoring).

scotty34 · #8 03-29-2005, 05:18 AM

Now if instead of doubling your bet everytime, you raised it exponentially so that each bet is worth double the sum of all previous bets, there could be some actual profits realized here. (ie. bet one and lose, bet two and lose, bet 6 and lose, bet 18...). However, this would require an enormous bankroll and no table limits. I am sure the casinos have their table limits in place in the proper manner that trying to perform this will bust you more than it won't.

Freakin · #9 03-29-2005, 05:27 AM

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Now if instead of doubling your bet everytime, you raised it exponentially so that each bet is worth double the sum of all previous bets, there could be some actual profits realized here. (ie. bet one and lose, bet two and lose, bet 6 and lose, bet 18...). However, this would require an enormous bankroll and no table limits. I am sure the casinos have their table limits in place in the proper manner that trying to perform this will bust you more than it won't.

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No betting system will beat flat betting.

Freakin