Missing Bets or Playing Safe

jrbick · #1 09-02-2005, 04:31 AM

MP is LPP (obviously) and BB is loose, moderately aggressive.

Question: after all of the PF and F action, htf does that T help MP that gives him the cahunas to raise the R? Or does the T help him at all? I see no other option but to do what I did. Immediately thoughts of TT, Qd9d, and a stupidly played JJ enter my head. Is this o.k.?

Suggestions on all streets appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, BB calls.

River: (15 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Peter Harris · #2 09-02-2005, 04:37 AM

hell, i am currently learning the game by being a donk at 1/2 SH, but i think it's monsters under the bed here not 3betting the river. even if LP-P, the flop raise then slowdown makes me expect JT or AJ before JJ?

Am i wrong?

Regards,
Pete Harris

#3 09-02-2005, 04:38 AM

Why would the villain have TT,JJ? Q9 MAYBE, but JT is enough likely or something stupid like 66, T6, so you gotta reraise the BB aint goin anywhere.

jrbick · #4 09-02-2005, 04:40 AM

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the flop raise then slowdown makes me expect JT or AJ before JJ?

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very good point.

MrBig30 · #5 09-02-2005, 05:02 AM

3-bet.

jrbick · #6 09-02-2005, 05:08 AM

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3-bet.

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care to elaborate? Or does your omission indicate agreement w/ other J hands?

dhaimon · #7 09-02-2005, 05:21 AM

3-bet. the only reasonable hand that beats you that I can put him on here is 97s. also, you're dragging BB in for one more bet which is goooooood.

MoDOH · #8 09-02-2005, 05:46 AM

I would threebet here. he probably has some kind of 2-pair hand as the only reasonable hand he could have that beats you are Q9 or 79, but why would he raise those hands on the flop? no he has TJ here and it´s an easy 3-bet.

the fact that BB is still in the hand makes it an even easier threebet...

MrBig30 · #9 09-02-2005, 05:49 AM

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3-bet.

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care to elaborate? Or does your omission indicate agreement w/ other J hands?

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I agree w/ most other posters. There are MANY hands you beat but only very few reasonable that have you beat. Plus there is another player in the pot. I believe a 3-bet is clearly +EV.