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Lmn55d · #1 12-13-2005, 07:58 PM

if he's any sort of tag I think its very unlikely he doesn't bet an ace

krishanleong · #2 12-13-2005, 08:13 PM

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i would bet bc he will call you with any q or 9 and he wont bet those. hell, he might not even bet an ace.

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Really? I bet an ace and call a raise(most of the time) all day in his shoes. I would definitely value bet a good Q there too.

I think everyone who says I should just lead the river is right mostly because I don't think a cr is getting called all that often.

Krishan

TStoneMBD · #3 12-13-2005, 08:00 PM

hi krishan. i fold this preflop against a good tag.

the turn situation is beyond my understanding. i think its a very complicated spot.

i dont like the river check. i dont think your hand is strong enough to checkraise. bet and let him pay you off with a queen or whatever hes got.

Entity · #4 12-13-2005, 08:03 PM

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hi krishan. i fold this preflop against a good tag.

the turn situation is beyond my understanding. i think its a very complicated spot.

i dont like the river check. i dont think your hand is strong enough to checkraise. bet and let him pay you off with a queen or whatever hes got.

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Hmm. I agree with everything Tstone said. Maybe he's not so bad at poker after all.

#5 12-13-2005, 08:04 PM

oups, didnt see that you hit a two-pair on the river. ignore everything I have said.

krishanleong · #6 12-13-2005, 08:04 PM

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i dont like the river check. i dont think your hand is strong enough to checkraise. bet and let him pay you off with a queen or whatever hes got.

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I'm not sure about the rest but I'm sure my hand is strong enough to check raise the river with. What exactly do I have to be afraid of? A badly played flush is it as far as I can see. (Outside chance of a 2 pair including the 7 both because I have one and also because the flush might protect me from being 3-bet anyway)

Krishan

Entity · #7 12-13-2005, 08:07 PM

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i dont like the river check. i dont think your hand is strong enough to checkraise. bet and let him pay you off with a queen or whatever hes got.

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I'm not sure about the rest but I'm sure my hand is strong enough to check raise the river with. What exactly do I have to be afraid of? A badly played flush is it as far as I can see. (Outside chance of a 2 pair including the 7 both because I have one and also because the flush might protect me from being 3-bet anyway)

Krishan

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Most of the time, given how he's played the hand, I don't see him calling the c/r but I can see him calling a normal bet a lot. When he calls the c/r I don't know that your hand will be good > 50% of the time. Given how weakly he has played the hand I don't think he'll bluff or value bet the river nearly as often as he'll call.

Rob

krishanleong · #8 12-13-2005, 08:10 PM

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I'm not sure about the rest but I'm sure my hand is strong enough to check raise the river with. What exactly do I have to be afraid of? A badly played flush is it as far as I can see. (Outside chance of a 2 pair including the 7 both because I have one and also because the flush might protect me from being 3-bet anyway)

Krishan

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Most of the time, given how he's played the hand, I don't see him calling the c/r but I can see him calling a normal bet a lot. When he calls the c/r I don't know that your hand will be good > 50% of the time. Given how weakly he has played the hand I don't think he'll bluff or value bet the river nearly as often as he'll call.

Rob

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Okay, what hands beat me? Both you and TStone said this and it didn't occur to me. Can you spell it out for me? I figured I was ahead by a huge amount.

Krishan

Entity · #9 12-13-2005, 08:14 PM

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I'm not sure about the rest but I'm sure my hand is strong enough to check raise the river with. What exactly do I have to be afraid of? A badly played flush is it as far as I can see. (Outside chance of a 2 pair including the 7 both because I have one and also because the flush might protect me from being 3-bet anyway)

Krishan

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Most of the time, given how he's played the hand, I don't see him calling the c/r but I can see him calling a normal bet a lot. When he calls the c/r I don't know that your hand will be good > 50% of the time. Given how weakly he has played the hand I don't think he'll bluff or value bet the river nearly as often as he'll call.

Rob

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Okay, what hands beat me? Both you and TStone said this and it didn't occur to me. Can you spell it out for me? I figured I was ahead by a huge amount.

Krishan

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I think you are ahead by a huge amount. But I think there are a ton of hands that will check behind when you check, few hands that will bluff given how passively he has played the hand so far, and if you get 2 bets in on the river, I don't think your hand is going to be good very often. Does that make more sense? I think you've got the best hand a fair % of the time here when you bet and are called, but when you c/r and are called, I think that # goes down significantly. I just don't see Q5o betting this river and paying a c/r off very often at all.

Rob

TStoneMBD · #10 12-13-2005, 08:09 PM

i shouldnt have used the term not strong enough cause thats not true. its really unlikely the opponent has a better twopair unless he hit a 7 kicker since hes just called both streets. i dont like the river checkraise more or less because the board is scary and i think alot of pairs check down when they would have called. its hard to see him having an ace here but a queen is likely. i suppose a queen will often bet but a 2p2 tag should strongly be considering folding to the river checkraise. btw a flush is a real possibility.