close (meaningless?) river decision...

[DcifrThs]

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the villians are both very loose and very agressive.

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Isn't 48/7/.68 very loose and somewhat passive preflop, and very passive post flop?

~ Rick

PS I use PT

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we've been over this debate a million times.

if somebody who plays 40% of their hands bets or raises anywhere NEAR the amount of times he/she ccalls they are very aggressive. simply by the sheer volume of situations that arise with the garbage they play. so a ratio (AF) of 1 is amazingly agressive for somebody that plays 40% of their hands.

-Barron

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Barron, the read you're giving us on the CO in your replies contradicts the stats you gave in the original post. As Gabe posted, he looks loose-aggressive preflop, but only moderately aggressive postflop from his stats.

This is a good post though, I wouldn't have thought of CR'ing in this situation, but I do see that it has merit.

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all of the people in this thread who have stated that the stats say these guys are passive surprise me. Rick i respect, you i respect etc. etc. i respect and admire all of your play. but haven't you ever seen a 40/20/.6 do something like 3bet 97s preflop, flop a gutshot and raise a bettor? this happens all the time. just because PT says "0-.7 is passive" doesn't make it so. i just read nightwish's response to player description and his simple analogy is perfect. these two villians are BOTH loose agressive BOTH pre AND postflop.

-Barron

[Rick Nebiolo]

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we've been over this debate a million times.

if somebody who plays 40% of their hands bets or raises anywhere NEAR the amount of times he/she ccalls they are very aggressive. simply by the sheer volume of situations that arise with the garbage they play. so a ratio (AF) of 1 is amazingly agressive for somebody that plays 40% of their hands. -Barron

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Barron,

Thanks for the info. I'm still 90% a B&M player so I've only read pieces of these posts (the forum being now so gigantic and my time being challenged). I'll look them up when I can but if you have one link to a better thread I'd appreciate it.

~ Rick

[DcifrThs]

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we've been over this debate a million times.

if somebody who plays 40% of their hands bets or raises anywhere NEAR the amount of times he/she ccalls they are very aggressive. simply by the sheer volume of situations that arise with the garbage they play. so a ratio (AF) of 1 is amazingly agressive for somebody that plays 40% of their hands. -Barron

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Barron,

Thanks for the info. I'm still 90% a B&M player so I've only read pieces of these posts (the forum being now so gigantic and my time being challenged). I'll look them up when I can but if you have one link to a better thread I'd appreciate it.

~ Rick

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Hey Rick,

sorry i dont know where those threads are [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]...i never was good at the search function. and i certianly didn't mean to talk down to you if thats what it sounded like. i know you mainly play b&m and misunderstanding these data is a common thing.

the best thing i can do for you is to say that if you have a person with a VPIP of over 30, it is a virtual certaintly they are aggressive. and a person w/ a 30 vpip and an AF factor of over 1 is defiantely very very aggressive.

AFi=(bet+raise)/(call) ith street.

AF as it appears is really the (SUM(AFi)-AFpf)/3.

i hope this helps rick.

-Barron

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I really like check/raising because I've already seen the results.

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FYP

[Rick Nebiolo]

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[BradL]

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the river choice imo is between betting and c'ring.

-Barron

checkraising? cmon man... LOL.

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I havnt read anything past this post in this thread so excuse me if what i am saying has already been said or already disproved (though I somewhat doubt the latter).

A checkraise is a legitmate line, his hand looks very much like a flushdraw at this point and a checkraise on the river could be called frequently enough by AK (not to mention a 7 or a 5) purely because it "must" be a bluff. To take this action you must be very confident that your opponent will simply comply and call down or fold. A reraise by a worse hand that cost you the pot would be devistating.

-Brad

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I think I might 3bet the flop and try to win this one before showdown. Seems like your chance of success is very high and I also think you're a lot more likely to improve to the best hand and have it hold up if you get it HU on the flop.