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Auto-fold | 32 | 72.73% | |
3-bet only maniacs or people on tilt | 10 | 22.73% | |
3-bet LAGs or oportunistic blind stealers | 2 | 4.55% | |
Automatic 3-bet | 0 | 0% | |
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Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation
What are the rules on this? In Supersystem, DB talks about if he has A-A and a player is betting into him, he will show the A-A and try to get a read. I assume DB was talking about a cash game, not a tournament, and was heads up.
I have used the trick myself, like when I had an Ax with x being a low kicker. Why you would show with the nuts is beyond me, maybe he was flustered/excited. It was a big hand. I would really like to know the rules, officially. Have they changed since Supersystem? If so, why? Collusion? |
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Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation
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What are the rules on this? In Supersystem, DB talks about if he has A-A and a player is betting into him, he will show the A-A and try to get a read. I assume DB was talking about a cash game, not a tournament, and was heads up. I have used the trick myself, like when I had an Ax with x being a low kicker. Why you would show with the nuts is beyond me, maybe he was flustered/excited. It was a big hand. I would really like to know the rules, officially. Have they changed since Supersystem? If so, why? Collusion? [/ QUOTE ] Geez, people, how hard is it to google the rules or even read the thread and see the answers of people who have read the rules. Tournament Directors Association: Rule 35: A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty but will not have his hand killed. for those who are google impaired I don't see a rule that specific in Robert's rules of poker, but if you look under the section heading: "Dead Hands," exposing your cards is not listed as a reason to kill a hand. Also under "Showdown," Rule 6 "show one show all" its strongly implied (indeed I don't see any way to read the rule otherwise) that an exposed hand is not a dead hand. Linky, cause I know google is so hard to use --Zetack |
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Tournament Directors Association: Rule 35: A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty but will not have his hand killed. for those who are google impaired I don't see a rule that specific in Robert's rules of poker, but if you look under the section heading: "Dead Hands," exposing your cards is not listed as a reason to kill a hand. Also under "Showdown," Rule 6 "show one show all" its strongly implied (indeed I don't see any way to read the rule otherwise) that an exposed hand is not a dead hand. Linky, cause I know google is so hard to use --Zetack [/ QUOTE ] One note- this generally is limited to heads-up play, where exposing the hand cannot affect future betting sequences, I believe? |
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[ QUOTE ] Tournament Directors Association: Rule 35: A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty but will not have his hand killed. for those who are google impaired I don't see a rule that specific in Robert's rules of poker, but if you look under the section heading: "Dead Hands," exposing your cards is not listed as a reason to kill a hand. Also under "Showdown," Rule 6 "show one show all" its strongly implied (indeed I don't see any way to read the rule otherwise) that an exposed hand is not a dead hand. Linky, cause I know google is so hard to use --Zetack [/ QUOTE ] One note- this generally is limited to heads-up play, where exposing the hand cannot affect future betting sequences, I believe? [/ QUOTE ] Um...didja see the linkies? I even put in the relevant sections to read. The answer is no, its not limited to heads up. Showing your hand does not kill it even multi-way, even if one player has acted and there are players behind the flasher. I think that may be where the penalties MAY be accessed comes in, when it affects the action, penalties are very appropriate. But not killing the hand. --Zetack |
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Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation
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[ QUOTE ] What are the rules on this? In Supersystem, DB talks about if he has A-A and a player is betting into him, he will show the A-A and try to get a read. I assume DB was talking about a cash game, not a tournament, and was heads up. I have used the trick myself, like when I had an Ax with x being a low kicker. Why you would show with the nuts is beyond me, maybe he was flustered/excited. It was a big hand. I would really like to know the rules, officially. Have they changed since Supersystem? If so, why? Collusion? [/ QUOTE ] Geez, people, how hard is it to google the rules or even read the thread and see the answers of people who have read the rules. Tournament Directors Association: Rule 35: A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty but will not have his hand killed. for those who are google impaired I don't see a rule that specific in Robert's rules of poker, but if you look under the section heading: "Dead Hands," exposing your cards is not listed as a reason to kill a hand. Also under "Showdown," Rule 6 "show one show all" its strongly implied (indeed I don't see any way to read the rule otherwise) that an exposed hand is not a dead hand. Linky, cause I know google is so hard to use --Zetack [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Zetack, I did read through the threads and I saw different answers. Is the Tournament Director's official, or just one set of rules out of several? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What are the rules on this? In Supersystem, DB talks about if he has A-A and a player is betting into him, he will show the A-A and try to get a read. I assume DB was talking about a cash game, not a tournament, and was heads up. I have used the trick myself, like when I had an Ax with x being a low kicker. Why you would show with the nuts is beyond me, maybe he was flustered/excited. It was a big hand. I would really like to know the rules, officially. Have they changed since Supersystem? If so, why? Collusion? [/ QUOTE ] Geez, people, how hard is it to google the rules or even read the thread and see the answers of people who have read the rules. Tournament Directors Association: Rule 35: A player who exposes his cards during the play may incur a penalty but will not have his hand killed. for those who are google impaired I don't see a rule that specific in Robert's rules of poker, but if you look under the section heading: "Dead Hands," exposing your cards is not listed as a reason to kill a hand. Also under "Showdown," Rule 6 "show one show all" its strongly implied (indeed I don't see any way to read the rule otherwise) that an exposed hand is not a dead hand. Linky, cause I know google is so hard to use --Zetack [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Zetack, I did read through the threads and I saw different answers. Is the Tournament Director's official, or just one set of rules out of several? [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately there are no official rules. The TDA rules are the Tournament Directors Association rules. They are as close to a defining standard as we have for tournaments. That said, any tourney or tourney director is free to change the rules in whatever way they see fit. Roberts Rules of Poker is a standard work and an often cited authority. However, it is not the "official" rules of poker, because there is no such thing. However, in combination, these are as authoritative a set of rules as you will find anywhere. --Zetack |
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Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation
players in my regualr home game do this once in a while and I and a few others I play with dislike it. exposing your hole cards to gage a reaction is angle shooting, in a casino the hand would be dead. I'm not sure this is what your opponent was up to though, given he had the nuts.
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I'm not sure this is what your opponent was up to though, given he had the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] You're NOT SURE [this is what he was up to] ? - Way to not go out on a limb. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If he was last to act with the nuts and flipped before calling an allin bet I'm not sure even a cardroom would cry foul (though it's conceivable they would - they allow alot less discretion in these matters) If there were others to left to act and he flipped the nuts prior to calling he should be given a discount on all future buyins as he is obviously not even trying to win. |
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Re: Another Interesting Home Game situation
Personally I would consider you a cheat and angle shooter and anal retentive and never play with you again if you objected for any longer than 9 seconds about this in a low limit home game tournament
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Personally I would consider you a cheat and angle shooter and anal retentive and never play with you again if you objected for any longer than 9 seconds about this in a low limit home game tournament [/ QUOTE ] Damnit.... I think I waited 9.5.....but somewhere around 6 seconds my girlfriend smiled at me and I got distracted thinking about sex.....Am I still cool? |
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