A stop-and-go hand that actually worked

[jcm4ccc]

Nothing really special about this hand, but man it was fun so I’m posting it. We were basically on the bubble. 32 players left, top 27 are paid. At the beginning of this hand, I was in 30th place. At the end of the hand, I was in 16th place.


PokerStars Game #3091655800: Tournament #15015568, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/11/18 - 14:29:23 (ET)
Table '15015568 23' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: padillao (7792 in chips)
Seat 2: GoodGuyDoll (12643 in chips)
Seat 3: VAMAN14 (8791 in chips)
Seat 4: leoslions (6630 in chips)
Seat 5: jcm4ccc (4852 in chips)
Seat 6: winemo (20857 in chips)
Seat 8: jonmontag (7917 in chips)
Seat 9: dapaver (21830 in chips)

leoslions: posts small blind 400
jcm4ccc: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jcm4ccc J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
winemo: folds
jonmontag: folds
dapaver: folds
padillao: folds
GoodGuyDoll: raises 1600 to 2400
VAMAN14: folds
leoslions: folds
jcm4ccc: calls 1600

*** FLOP ***
Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
jcm4ccc: bets 2402 and is all-in
GoodGuyDoll: folds

[zambonidrivr]

horrible fold by villian. horrible call by you. just push it in pre, or fold. great, so it worked. a skilled player would have sent your ass to the cleaners. so good going getting over on a chump

[jcm4ccc]

[ QUOTE ]
horrible fold by villian. horrible call by you. just push it in pre, or fold. great, so it worked. a skilled player would have sent your ass to the cleaners. so good going getting over on a chump

[/ QUOTE ] so if you were me, you would have folded JTo and been down to 4K chips (less than 3M?)

[zambonidrivr]

Yes, I would rather push any 2 in an unopened pot, than make a call here.

[elmitchbo]

i totally disagree. i think this is about as ideal a situation as you can get for a stop-n-go. one important thing to remember here is that the stop-n-go is a desperation type of play. it's not really supposed to work that often. the same thing can be said for pushing any 2 with a short stack.... it's far from an ideal situation.

the OP's line gets him maximum value on his hand if it works. i think when you need to make up some ground a high reward move for the same amount of risk is the best play. when you get short stacked the risk of any play is the same, the pay off if your move is succesful is what really needs to be the deciding factor.

as far as the fold goes.... 3:1 odds facing an all-in that will cost you 25% of your stack when you have absolutely nothing? i can't say that's an automatic call. that's the point of the stop-n-go... to give your opponent a chance to have zilch on the flop so he can fold.

[nsj]

pushing this preflop is ridiculous, it guarantees a call from standard raising hands, all of which are ahead of TJo preflop.

your stack looks a little too shallow for a stop/go to me here, but it worked out. Fold preflop is fine as well.

[Melchiades]

I saw someone fold to a stop-and-go, having to call 70 into a 1200 pot yesterday at the 3+R. Nearly fell of my chair.

Stop and go is something that doesnt work very often..You need to have enough chips to give the caller bad odds, in which case usually you would be better off with straight up post-flop play, unless your pretty sure your hand is best now but might not be the best by the river.

I agree, its either fold or pre flop all in.

[UMTerp]

[ QUOTE ]
just push it in pre, or fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

There's no way pushing preflop is better than the line OP took. What advantage does push have over a stop and go??

I could see merits for a fold, but it's debateable.

I think the problem here is that Hero didn't have a big enough stack to effectively stop and go. Any reasonable Villain almost has to call at this point. Stop and go works better when you really have some FE and can at least give the Villain bad odds to make a hand if he whiffs on the flop. Here, even with the stop and go, the Villain is still getting 3:1.