Why is only Hold Em NL?

[UATrewqaz]

Omaha is played at most PL from what I can tell and stud always played at fixed limits....

Why don't "NL" Omaha and 7 Stud exist? Are the games just so fundamentally different NL wouldn't work?

[gobboboy]

Because if someone goes all in preflop the difference between hand strengths is so negligible that it would turn it into a crapshoot. Even AAJT DS in omaha isn't more than a 60% favorite over any other hand. 7stud is even worse unless you start with trips.

[joel2006]

Big bet Stud is commonly spread in England, but rarely Stateside. The main reason is becuz the river card is down, which makes NL Stud way more dangerous than HE. For example if u have an ace high flush at the river in HE on an unpaired board u know your hand is good, in Stud even without a pair showing your opponent could have a hand as strong as quads.

I believe the WSOP has an event for NL 2-7 draw, but I've never heard of this being played in cash games.

[ohnonotthat]

Deuce-seven is rarely played, period.

When it is, however it's almost always played N-L.

[ZeeJustin]

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Deuce-seven is rarely played, period.

When it is, however it's almost always played N-L.

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This is just plain incorrect.

[D.H.]

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Even AAJT DS in omaha isn't more than a 60% favorite over any other hand.

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Over 2222 it's a 100% favorite. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[pzhon]

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Even AAJT DS in omaha isn't more than a 60% favorite over any other hand.

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Yes, it is. The following are matchups against random hands.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396148
As Js Ah Th 0.750
Ks 4s Jd 8h 0.250

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396151
As Js Ah Th 0.719
5c 9d 5h 3h 0.281

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396152
As Js Ah Th 0.790
Qs Qc 8d 2h 0.210

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396156
As Js Ah Th 0.682
5s Ac 7c Qh 0.318

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396158
As Js Ah Th 0.661
6s 3s 8c 9h 0.339

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396164
As Js Ah Th 0.729
Ts 6c Jh 4h 0.271

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396166
As Js Ah Th 0.665
9s Kd 6d 4d 0.335

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396171
As Js Ah Th 0.774
Kc Ad Td 6h 0.226

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396176
As Js Ah Th 0.698
7s Jc 9c 7h 0.302

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396179
As Js Ah Th 0.689
8s Tc 2c 3d 0.311

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396180
As Js Ah Th 0.664
2s 3c Qd 5d 0.336

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1396181
As Js Ah Th 0.680
4c 7d 2d Kh 0.320

Absolute Poker has NL Omaha Hi/Lo and Omaha High. But why not have NL tourny's at the WSOP. Good point. When we play O8 at home, we play NL b/c figuring out the PL is too much work. Any one have any good advice of an easy way to do this? I can't tell you how many times we cancelled the PL idea because of the work.

[ohnonotthat]

Institute a rule wherby you have only four options as to the size of your bet and make these options:

Check, 1/4 pot, 1/2 pot or the pot.

This will make tracking the size of the pot much easier since there will be no "odd-sized" bets to calculate.

It also makes it slightly easier if both blinds are the same size. (A few of the online sites do this now for NL holdem so you won't be "wrecking the purity of the game" [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]).

If the game still moves to slowly try replacing the blinds with antes while also using the 4-option rule.

- If the game has blinds of 1-2 change this to no blinds with a .25 or .50 ante per player, or have the dealer ante for everyone.

If all else fails employ a rule such as that used in Scrabble.

Allow anyone to bet any amount they want at any time but penalize them when they attempt to overbet the pot if anyone spots them. Also penalize the whistle-blower if it turns out the bet is within the allowed limits. (Loser of the challenge pays the bettor the amount of the disparity or a set amount such as "X" number of big blinds).

- If you choose to employ this arrangement expect the most frequent challenger to soon start insisting everyone "use their coasters and eat with a knife and a fork". [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]