Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river

[HoldEmKillah]

Effective stack sizes are ~$900. I go to this game to have fun, raise 4x an orbit, bluff a lot and be a donkey. In doing so, I've built up my stack up by getting lucky and bluffing in decent size pots. CO is decent, a tag and knows I'm a moron tonight but also knows I'm not a moron in general (fooled him!). He only reraised me preflop once when he had AK and me AQ. Anyway...

HERO MP+2: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop, 3 limpers, I raise to $10, Villian raises to $30, all fold, I call.

Flop ($65) Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]: check check

Turn ($65) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]: I check, villian bets $20, I raise to $80. Villian thinks for like 5 seconds, hmmms and calls.

River ($225) 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]: I bet $200, Villian immediately raises to $500 before I can even put my chips in the middle.

He does NOT have Q 10 btw.

HERO?

[ggbman]

If he doesnt have Q-10, then push, because QQ is well, pretty unlikely and given you description, he is playing AQ the exact same way.

[Andrew Fletcher]

He re-raises with AK, not AQ. He's TAG.

[ahnuld]

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He re-raises with AK, not AQ. He's TAG.

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Uh, ok I agree, but then you advocate getting it allin? WHY? so you can say it was unlikely for him to have QQ or TT. ur ahead alot here but pushing does no good. Just causes AA KK to fold if he raised them anyway (which I doubt, he would flat call)

[HoldEmKillah]

There's one more reason I pushed and I forgot to mention this in the original post. When he reraised me with AK, the action went like this:

UTG raises to $10, call, call, I raise to $50 then he mini-reraises to $100. DONKISH.

So even though a good TAG wouldn't reraise with AQ I felt THAT HE WOULD considering 1)his donkish miniraise w/AK as mentioned and 2)to isolate me, the fish. So AQ could be there. And AQ was more likely than QQ and 10 10 the only other hands he raises on the end.

[mikech]

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CO is decent, a tag

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DONKISH

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which is he??

i played a very similar 5-10 hand at the borgata back in the summer: QQ opened utg vs a KK button reraise, KKx flop went check-check, turn Q went bet-call, river blank went bet-push. my feeling at the time was that a decent player would've bet the flop with AK, and would NOT go raising a river brick.

so it goes back to whether you thought he was a donkey or a decent tag, you're giving us contradictory reads. in general i think 3bet-pushing the river like you did is pretty bad against any reasonable opponent.

[psuasskicker]

Scared of TT? QQ?

If he'll call you with AA this is an easy push IMO. If not, but he'll call with AQ, I probably still push. I think this move and the way he acted kinda screams AQ...

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[ahnuld]

I flat call river and I thought so before I saw results. Hes tag, maybe hes raising river with AA-KK but I doubt it. I never fold of course but raising doesnt make snese either. He'd neevr call the push with AA KK. What value does 3 betting river have?

[psuasskicker]

What value does 3 betting river have?

You think he folds AQ to a three bet?

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[ahnuld]

I think the odds of QQ TT are greater than villan having AQ. I know that AQ will occur more often, but given the way the hand went down, I dont see him playing AQ like this.

This is why I call, becuase AQ is likely