Folding a overpair on the river

[Eken]

I am trying to stop paying off when it seems obvious I am beaten. Should I call the last bet in these spots?

Hand 1:
SB is loose passive, BB is loose agg, no read on CO.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB


Hand 2:
Only played a few orbits at the table, but all opponents here seems to be pretty loose.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds, SB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

[butters]

both of these look reasonable given your table descriptions.

[jba]

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both of these look reasonable given your table descriptions.

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[Bill C]

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I am trying to stop paying off when it seems obvious I am beaten...

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I don't think it's obvious that you are beaten in either case. I call 'em both down.

bill c

[ihardlyknowher]

Hand 1: seems OK for 2/4 - @ 5/10 I think I am calling that river raise because even the loose passives get cute enough to justify it.

Hand 2: raise the turn and the hand plays differently Given the situation you are in against an unknown river raise, I am going to showdown.

[crazymoose]

First one: fold.
Second one I'd fold but I wouldn't like it. Too many ways loose opponents could have you beaten in that spot.

[sthief09]

fold 1 is easy. I have a hard time laying down hand 2 without a read

[sthief09]

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Too many ways loose opponents could have you beaten in that spot.

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not really. he's got kings up. it may look obvious that UTG+1 flopped a flush but without a read in a big pot with a good hand, it's tough to make that kind of laydown

[DeuceKicker]

Hand 1: You need to be 87% sure you're beaten to fold. I'd only be 86% sure. Call and cry.
Edit: I didn't notice that you'd pegged villain as passive. I guess that tips me to fold.

Hand 2: Raise the turn. Lacking that, you're now facing two bets on a monotone-flopped, paired board with a crazy straight possible, and with the pre-flop capper still in. I'd make a crying fold.