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QQ out of position on a rag flop
Villain is completely unknown to me. I absolutely hated the way I played this hand. I think my preflop raise was too small first of all. Anything else I should have done differently? Maybe bet the turn?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Button ($725.70) SB ($512.07) Hero ($517) UTG ($1101.60) MP ($1308) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $29</font>, UTG calls $23. Flop: ($73) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, UTG calls $55. Turn: ($183) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $125</font>, Hero calls $125. River: ($433) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $350</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $783 |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
yes, your preflop re-raise was too small. It should have been to at least $40.
flop is ok, turn check is ok, but if you check the turn it is so you can check-raise. given the way you got to the turn, a check-raise is my favourite option followed by lead. If he checks behind, a check-call on river is pretty standard (unless it's a Q of course) |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
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if you check the turn it is so you can check-raise [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
Why would you check raise this turn?
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
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Why would you check raise this turn? [/ QUOTE ] Gives you really no information about villains hand by doing this...I hate this line, either check/call or lead and fold to a big raise or push. |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
Yea...to be honest checkraising the turn was the last thing on my mind. I dont see how this can be a good play. I checked the turn to try and keep the pot small. Hopefully if he's on a draw, he'll just check to the river and I can make a decision there, based upon whether or not a scare card came out. I assume when villain is firing on the turn and the river, he either has absolutely nothing or a monster. Check raising loses me the most when he has a monster and wins me the least when he's got nothing since there's no chance of him bluffing a worst hand on the river...am I right in this line of thought?
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
AGAIN, NEVER CHECK TO A DRAWING HAND ON THE TURN, WHY DO IT?
THEY WILL ONLY CHECK ALSO AND SEE THE RIVER FOR FREE, THIS IS VERY BAD |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
Check raising on the turn with a flush draw out there
IS VERY, VERY, VERY BAD You will get your @ss handed to you when they hit there flush and you will not win any money on a river bet when they missed if you check to me on the turn when I have a drawing hand, I'm only going to check to see the river for FREE I will never bet to you so you can raise me, I will steal your check-raise from you, than as I said, you will pay dearly when I hit my flush and win nothing more from me, when I missed. BAD, BAD, BAD IDEA |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
I think check-raise turn is far better than check-call turn.
Look at it this way, if he's on one pair or a draw I think a check-raise is far superior. The advantage to check-calling I see is catching a river bluff, and I don't think people are going to bluff you much after you called the turn OOP, that shows some strength. Suppose you check turn, he bets, and you know he's got AT. What would you do? |
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Re: QQ out of position on a rag flop
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I think check-raise turn is far better than check-call turn. Look at it this way, if he's on one pair or a draw I think a check-raise is far superior. The advantage to check-calling I see is catching a river bluff, and I don't think people are going to bluff you much after you called the turn OOP, that shows some strength. Suppose you check turn, he bets, and you know he's got AT. What would you do? [/ QUOTE ] C/R the turn here is a great way to win the least when you are ahead and lose the max when you are behind. Villain will just laydown worse hands and stack you with better hands. Furthermore, you have no idea how strong he is so you are basically betting your stack in the dark (meaning with no information about villain's range) |
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