i got a hand and im gonna post it and stuff so you noobs can read it

TStoneMBD · #1 09-15-2005, 02:00 AM

limper is 53/14 after 100 hands
sb is an unknown no stats, no reads.

hows the flop and turn?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises

Entity · #2 09-15-2005, 02:02 AM

I really don't like checking this flop. I'd just as soon 3-bet the turn because I think you're more likely to get more bets on the turn+river if he has anything and you 3-bet now, and if he's semibluffing you get your bets in now rather than hoping he hits on the river to give you multiple bets too. So I don't like the flop and I really don't like the turn, and of course the river is a raise.

davet · #3 09-15-2005, 02:06 AM

The title of this post is awfully contradictory, considering how you played it,

Bet the flop, raise the turn, raise the river.

oreogod · #4 09-15-2005, 02:10 AM

I made mention that I like a flop bet. Still a bit partial to that thought.

Turn, I like the call. Points are valid of the 3bet...but unless u think hes capping the turn, most of the time there is almost always a follow through bet. He has 3 things here. A semibluff, pure bluff or a Q.

Against a queen u get the same amount of bets...a UI semi bluff u almost always get the same amount of bets. A pure bluff would probably fold to the turn 3 bet, but follow through on the river.

The only time u get more is if he improves. I dont mind either one but I really like calling the turn more so than 3betting.

oreogod · #5 09-15-2005, 02:18 AM

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The title of this post is awfully contradictory, considering how you played it,

Bet the flop, raise the turn, raise the river.

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linky. Do you know why?

Bodhi · #6 09-15-2005, 02:21 AM

I guess if there were ever a time to slowplay this is it. I still can't help wondering if simply betting the flop is more +EV though, because you can't count on your opponents improving to hands that they'll bet/raise themselves.
I also wonder what the SB is doing when he checks twice with the danger of the turn getting checked through.
This hand leaves me confused.

Nick C · #7 09-15-2005, 02:25 AM

Going into the flop action, we can't expect the 53/14 limper and the SB who completed for 1/3 of a small bet to have much.

So I'm surprised you ended up getting all the action that you did.

scrub · #8 09-15-2005, 02:29 AM

The turn play is horrible.

scrub

kurosh · #9 09-15-2005, 02:30 AM

Flop check is fine. Bet sometimes, check sometimes.

I think it's a fairly easy turn 3-bet. By waiting until the river, you gain one extra bet from bluffs and that is the only advantage. If for some rare reason, he decides to not follow through on a semi-bluff, that's one bet less. You gain the same amount - or maybe even more if he hits on the river and cr's. From medium hands, such as a Q or a PP, you gain the same amount. From strong hands, and this is where the big difference is, you gain MUCH more by 3-betting the turn.

#10 09-15-2005, 02:46 AM

I'm not a noob [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I agree with most of the above post. Most of the time I bet this flop, mostly because at the very low limits I play, the standard is to check and SUPASLOPLAY till the river, so I do the exact opposite and trick those fishies. In your situation, I would do about 50/50 check or bet, and unless I feel my opponent is bluffing/semi-bluffing, I will three bet that turn nearly every time.

P.S. Does my writing style include the usage of too many commas?