is this to passive

JC_Saves · #1 07-16-2005, 08:11 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t2057)
CO (t600)
Button (t2140)
SB (t2500)
Hero (t4880)
UTG (t1013)
UTG+1 (t6500)
MP1 (t3005)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, 3 folds, CO calls t100, Button raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, UTG calls t100, CO raises to t600, Button calls t400, Hero folds, UTG calls t400.

Flop: (t2050) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t2050) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Button checks.

River: (t2050) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t2050

Results in white below: 
UTG has Jc 7c (high card, ace).
CO has Qc Jd (one pair, queens).
Button has 8h 8d (one pair, eights).
Outcome: CO wins t2050.

memphis57 · #2 07-17-2005, 01:57 AM

First off, I wouldn't bother showing the cards that come after the decision point. They're totaly irrelevant, and might occasionally change the advice you're getting. I would go ahead and complete the betting round after my fold, just so people keep in mind where I stand in the order, but of course even the bets that happen after me are irrelevant.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t2057)
CO (t600)
Button (t2140)
SB (t2500)
Hero (t4880)
UTG (t1013)
UTG+1 (t6500)
MP1 (t3005)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, 3 folds, CO calls t100, Button raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, UTG calls t100, CO raises to t600, Button calls t400, Hero folds, UTG calls t400.

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This is a close call for me. ATs is a strong hand, practically the same as AJs although many people sem to draw a big line between them. As such, ATs is one of the few hands I would pay 3-5x BB to see the flop on. Now here, they're asking 6x, but you've already paid 2x before the final price is clear. With only UTG to bet after you, and with him not showing any inclination to raise it further, I think I would have stayed in this hand. But it's a close one, and some small factor you haven't mentioned might easily have inclined me to fold where you did.

durron597 · #3 07-17-2005, 02:27 AM

This is definitely a fold out of position.

Lloyd · #4 07-17-2005, 04:11 AM

I'm inclined to call getting almost 4 to 1 odds (and almost 5 to 1 odds assuming UTG calls). I'm a little perplexed by the CO raise. If limpers were being punished then he could certainly have a big pair. Otherwise, I think he's trying to show strength in some oddly played fashion. And the button raise is also suspect being the minimum after 2 limpers. I think there's a good chance that you have the best Ace kicker.

Python49 · #5 07-17-2005, 05:05 AM

not too passive imo. CO limps/reraises after seeing 3 others already in the hand and one of them raising... more often than not your A/10 will be crushed, but in this odd instance the guy had a crappy hand.