War and relegion

[Aytumious]

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let's see...

french revolution 1789 - not over religion
war of independence - 1776 - not over religion
us civil war 1861 - not over religion
japan-russia war 1905 - not over religion
world war I - not over religion
world war II - not over religion
soviet-afghan war 1980's - not over religion
iran-iraq war 1980's - not over religion
gulf war - not over religion
current "war" - not over religion
all the wars waged by napoleon as he ravaged through europe - not over religion


that's off the top of my head. i'm sure there are many more. do not confuse religion with nationalism. sure these combatants may have had different religions, but religion was not the reason for the wars.

wars based on religion date back much further.

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How can you say the war on terror is not a religious war? Our enemy is most certainly motivated mainly by religious beliefs.

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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none of the recent wars have been based on religion.

people always try to say this is the reason for all wars, and if there was no religion, the world would be a happy place, but this is untrue.

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im not saying that. Im not saying anything. Im sipmly asking a question.

however, the "war on terror" is party based on religion. Most of the "terrorists" that we are fighting are alledgedly on religious jihads (sp?).

ill put a jihad on your ass! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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for every year of peace in humankind’s history there have been fourteen years of war, 90% of which have been fought either because of, or under the banner of, God by whatever name.

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can you site a source for this please?

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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What, exactly, constitutes a "war"? What method shall we use to determine if a war was wholly or partly based on religion? How are we separating religion from other, related cultural differences?

In other words, the answer to your first question is almost certainly "no."

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use whatever definitions you like.

see "roughly"

[DougShrapnel]

Ken Wilber

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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Ken Wilber

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that doesnt help much.

[DougShrapnel]

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/147/story_14762_1.html

Still don't think it's what you are looking for, and don't know how creadible he is.

[housenuts]

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none of the recent wars have been based on religion.

people always try to say this is the reason for all wars, and if there was no religion, the world would be a happy place, but this is untrue.

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im not saying that. Im not saying anything. Im sipmly asking a question.

however, the "war on terror" is party based on religion. Most of the "terrorists" that we are fighting are alledgedly on religious jihads (sp?).

ill put a jihad on your ass! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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this is not a war of religion. they aren't out to smash christianity. they are opposed to the american corporatocracy and excessive consumption. they also dislike the fact that america is the world police.

as for the americans, they aren't waging war in Iraq/Afghanistan to rid the world of Muslims, Sikhs, or any other religion. they are simply seeking out those who oppose them.

and i forgot about Vietnam, and Korea. both of those were not fought over religion either.

[housenuts]

by the way, i am not a proponent of religion. in fact i think religion is useless, and perhaps the best scam of all time. i think it causes other problems for the world which i won't get into, but for the last 3 centuries religion has not been a major factor in any big wars.

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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they are opposed to the american corporatocracy and excessive consumption. they also dislike the fact that america is the world police.

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this is because of their religious views.