20+2 what to do here?

johnny005 · #1 04-05-2005, 02:43 AM

I think I might fold this here... I hate playing this hand out of position and I would rather steal from late position with less of a hand what do you guys think?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

BB (t705)
Hero (t690)
MP1 (t1105)
MP2 (t960)
CO (t3110)
Button (t415)
SB (t1015)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
>>Hero calls t50, MP1 raises to t125, 5 folds, >>Hero raises to t640 (All-In), MP1 calls t565.

Flop: (t1405) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1405) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1405) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1405

Slim Pickens · #2 04-05-2005, 03:03 AM

two and half words: stop 'n' go.

johnny005 · #3 04-05-2005, 03:06 AM

what do you mean by stop and go?
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Dudd · #4 04-05-2005, 03:20 AM

The stop n go is a very powerful play that really can be done with any two cards, although usually with a small/medium pocket pair. What you do is rather than push preflop, you call with your TT. Since you are out of position, you'll act first on any flop. Regardless of what flops (unless you hit a set), push the rest of your chips into the middle. It doesn't matter what the flop is, just push. If it's low cards and he has high cards, now he has to call a large raise with only two cards to go, and you might pick up the pot and dodge having to sneak past the last two cards. Also, if you have a hand such as 55 and he has TT and the flop is AQ7, you might induce him to laydown the best hand which would clearly have called an allin preflop.

Slim Pickens · #5 04-05-2005, 03:21 AM

One way you can take advatage of what is normally disadvantageous position is to call the preflop raise and push the flop, hoping your opponent missed and will fold. You have to put your opponent on a range of hands. The real question is "Would he raise with a lower pocket pair?" If he wouldn't, he's either playing two big cards or a bigger pair. Against the bigger pair, you're going broke no matter what. Against the two big cards, you've got a pretty good chance of taking it down on the flop if your opponent is in the position to call for all your chips with just overcards. The jack isn't all that scary, not like an ace or king, so there's no reason to abort the plan on the flop.

This is what I would do, but I just got my bankroll busted back down to the 11's. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Slim

TheCat · #6 04-05-2005, 10:53 AM

Seven way TT is just a bit too much of a hand to limp with even UTG. I would have made it 200 to go; you want to knock out QJo, ASmall and the like. If MP1 then pushes I probably fold depending on my read on him.
I don't like this secenario either, it's all rather borderline but you have to make the best of each decent hand that comes along.
In a ring game with deep money I'd limp hoping to hit a set and double up.

johnny005 · #7 04-05-2005, 04:09 PM

I deffinetly dont like the situation here, But would anyone think of folding these here? I also like the raise and maybe a fold to a reraise depending on the player.

jcm4ccc · #8 04-05-2005, 04:26 PM

[ QUOTE ]
two and half words: stop 'n' go.

[/ QUOTE ] It's not a perfect situation for a stop and go, because you do have quite a bit of folding equity if you go over the top of the preflop raiser. Also, calling the preflop raise does not put you in a desperate situation. You can let this one go on the flop and still be in the running.

But I would do as you suggested. Call the preflop raise. Push the flop. But if the flop was scary, I would let it go.

johnny005 · #9 04-05-2005, 04:32 PM

Turned out the raiser had Q-Q here, Hero wins but got very lucky

soLit · #10 04-05-2005, 04:43 PM

Either stop n go, or fold on the flop to his raise. You only hve 50 in the pot. Your probablly up against a/k or something similar, maybe a high pp.

I would probablly just fold, and try to make some moves later on the blinds are killing you yet.