JJ Against a Giant Nit

[johnnycakes]

I'd raise the flop.

You don't want to let overcards see every street before you show aggression. By the river, they've either got you beat or have nothing to draw to.

[W. Deranged]

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I'd raise the flop.

You don't want to let overcards see every street before you show aggression. By the river, they've either got you beat or have nothing to draw to.

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I think I should have raised the flop but for different reasons.

I reiterate that I don't think my opponent is folding a hand like AQ at any point in this hand, ever.

[Baloosh]

If you don't cap preflop, you have to raise the flop to get 3-bet, then you call and wait until the river to raise. This play, based on your read (of never folding AQ here) gets an extra 1BB in by the end.

If you don't cap the flop (after you raise and he 3bets) then he'll still lead into you on the turn and river, and still pay off the river raise.

[W. Deranged]

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If you don't cap preflop, you have to raise the flop to get 3-bet, then you call and wait until the river to raise. This play, based on your read (of never folding AQ here) gets an extra 1BB in by the end.

If you don't cap the flop (after you raise and he 3bets) then he'll still lead into you on the turn and river, and still pay off the river raise.

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I'm really thinking something like this is correct...

Whether getting the second raise on the turn or the river is better is interesting. Turn may have the opportunity to get villain to make a fundamental theorem mistake and lay down AQ or something (he'd have odds to draw then). If he's going away at any point (which is unlikely) that'd probably be the time.

[mlb3zr]

depends on what hands you can put him on. if he could 3-bet w/ a small pocket, this is good since he might fold to a turn raise. but if he's got a big A, I think you can raise the turn because he will probably call with 6 outs. and depending on how tight he is, he may even make a crying call on the river w/ A high, thinking that you are trying to push him off with your own A.

[sfer]

Why do you want him to lead every street when you're in position? Also, if you're going to call the preflop 3-bet it should be with the intention of getting a lot of flop action.

[ThomasPHoolery]

While I have no idea who this "Margeaux" character is, I think raising the flop is great. He's likely to 3 bet, or at the very least donk bet the turn (I have a feeling he loves the donk bet, just something about the name). I think you can call the three bet and then raise the turn or river still.

[W. Deranged]

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While I have no idea who this "Margeaux" character is, I think raising the flop is great. He's likely to 3 bet, or at the very least donk bet the turn (I have a feeling he loves the donk bet, just something about the name). I think you can call the three bet and then raise the turn or river still.

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Dude, it's the final countdown...

[JTrout]

I'd raise the turn instead of river.
Even if he's got odds to call, you're making money on raising the turn.

Would you have raised the river if it came:
A?
K?
Q?

[W. Deranged]

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Why do you want him to lead every street when you're in position? Also, if you're going to call the preflop 3-bet it should be with the intention of getting a lot of flop action.

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I think that was certainly the big mistake here.