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Old 10-09-2005, 12:15 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

Opponent is extremely LAG. At the beginning of the tournament he bet 700 out of an 1100 stack and then folded his last 400. Then he played a lot of pots and won a lot of showdowns, busted 2 people with KK and built a big stack.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

BB (t2510)
Hero (t1435)
MP (t1975)
CO (t1115)
Button (t2085)
SB (t4380)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls t250, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t1500</font>, Hero ???
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Old 10-09-2005, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

I'd probably call getting good odds and with one potentialy two over cards
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Old 10-09-2005, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

id fold this so fast

1135:1835 is what you need to call in order to win whats in the pot aleady. That is no where NEAR the odds you need to call with flush draw + 2 overcards. so i dont know why you even contipplate a call here unless you think that villan is pushing with 2 missed cards on this flop.
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

fold pre flop.
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:01 AM
Hendricks433 Hendricks433 is offline
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

Why raise UTG with this?
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:04 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

fold, you are not getting the odds. I posted a hand where I was getting 2:1 from pot (more if people called behind me) on a 2:1 shot and I called (it put me all-in). Raptor said easy fold
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:07 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

another reason to fold this weak hand is that villain is the big stack and can destroy you...
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

Nut flush draw + 1 overcard = 12outs= 1:1 odds (turn + river)

add the dead $ in the pot already, and you have the odds, no?!?! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If not, where did my thinking go wrong?
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Old 10-09-2005, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

[ QUOTE ]
Nut flush draw + 1 overcard = 12outs= 1:1 odds (turn + river)

add the dead $ in the pot already, and you have the odds, no?!?! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If not, where did my thinking go wrong?

[/ QUOTE ]



Your thinking is dead-on.

Against a pair of kings or lower, you are flipping with the bonus overlay already in the pot. Against said villian, you very possibly have 2 live cards plus the draw.

Add to that your chip stack relative to the field, and I think I call here and not lose any sleep over it.
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Old 10-09-2005, 03:35 AM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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Default Re: ($27) Call an allin with a draw?

Don't forget about the times you're actually ahead already. I think this is an easy call.
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