AKo unimproved, 19.25 bb pot...

o0mr_bill0o · #1 05-19-2005, 08:43 PM

I normally play 2/4, but the games sucked and i was really just concerned with working off a bonus, so I decided to jump down to .50/1 and play the rest of it off. Not really too concerned with advice here, so i'm showing you the results.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5. CO posts a blind of $0.75.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero (poster) raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (17.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 9h 7d (high card, queen).
Hero has As Kc (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.25 BB. 

i think it's a good illustration that when the pot is huge, you should probably call.

shadow29 · #2 05-19-2005, 08:44 PM

I'm more concerned with the flop rather than the river.

davelin · #3 05-19-2005, 08:45 PM

I'm folding the flop honestly.

irishpint · #4 05-19-2005, 08:46 PM

should we have folded the flop rather than 3bet? straight draw, flush draw, etc.

PuckNPoker · #5 05-19-2005, 08:48 PM

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I'm folding the flop honestly.

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ClaytonN · #6 05-19-2005, 08:54 PM

River play is good illustration as Ed Miller likes to note that you should call with AK unimproved when the pot is that big, because there's a better than 1 in 20 chance that the villain is bluffing.

But yea, fold the flop. With that bet/raise action I would say your A and K outs are now dirty. Likely relying on your backdoor draws.

Aaron W. · #7 05-19-2005, 09:10 PM

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I normally play 2/4, but the games sucked and i was really just concerned with working off a bonus, so I decided to jump down to .50/1 and play the rest of it off. Not really too concerned with advice here, so i'm showing you the results.

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Results in white below: 
BB has 9h 7d (high card, queen).
Hero has As Kc (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.25 BB. 

i think it's a good illustration that when the pot is huge, you should probably call.

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I think it's a good illustration of results-oriented thinking.

"I'm not concerned with advice, but I want to show you my neat results. See! The river call was right!" -- The flop 3-bet was probably close to a full SB error under generic cicumstances. In this case, you ran into a LAG and got lucky. Probably 25-30% of the time, only one spade comes in, and MP1 makes his flush. Another 25-30% of the time LAG makes his straight or pairs up to beat you (don't double-count the straight on a flush card). And a good portion of the time, BB's flop cap means real trouble. All of these combine to making you lose a good chunk of the first SB from your 3-bet, and then another good chunk when you're compelled to call the cap.

It's probably a very thin flop call at best, and more likely it's a -EV call because of your reverse implied odds. You played horribly and won. Congratulations.

aK13 · #8 05-19-2005, 09:14 PM

Did a flop fold ever occur to you? A bet, raise, and 2 cold calls....

Buckmulligan · #9 05-19-2005, 09:23 PM

I think a flop 3 bet is awful, but I don't think it's that bad to call the two with the overs and back door nut flush draw. I don't think peaking at the turn is bad here.

aK13 · #10 05-19-2005, 09:27 PM

2 more things:

1. Posting blind in MP2
2. BB is one for the buddy list.