Tight is right? SLAG is better

Hi,

my PT tells me SLAG beats TAG.

SLAG: average winrate 6BB/100 - 66% winners
TAG: average winrate 3.81BB/100 - 56% winners

Am I missing something? The sample size (10,000 hands each) may be too small, but the tendency seems overwhelming.

Thats interesting just looking at my hand database:

SLAG: average winrate 2.71BB/100 - 63% winners over 67K hands
TAG: average winrate 0.89BB/100 - 52% winners over 112K hands
TAA: average winrate 2.07BB/100 - 59% winner over 83K hands

Mr. Smiley Face is killing the Eagle (though it looks more like jug full of cola to me) and beating Moneybags.

[Harv72b]

Aside from the tiny sample size, there are far too many other factors to consider to even begin to make this kind of analysis.

From my gut, I would say that yes, SLAG beats TAG...if the SLAG player is very skilled postflop and is playing at a limit where such skill is likely to win him pots without actually having the best hand.

[chief444]

You mean 10000 hands total in your database? Or 10k+ hands on each? How many people? I'm SLAG too when I run well. And my aggression numbers are likely way higher than usual. I'm sure.

What numbers (VPIP/pfr/postflop aggression) are you considering SLAG and LAG?

10,000 hands on each category and around 80 players each.

I'm using the standard PT numbers:

SLAG (VPIP>20<30/PRF>5/AGR>2)
TAG(VPIP<20/PRF>5/AGR>3)

I think one aspect is that the TAG-style frightens away to many chips, whereas the SLAG is better for building pots.

[QTip]

10k hands is piss, piss, piss. LHE pisses on 10k hands.

Compare these three 15k hands stretches

I got not three other stats with around 10,000 who state the same. Perhaps someone else can provide a bigger sample size.

[chief444]

I don't really have any other comments except to say that there isn't really going to be any significant difference in winrate of a 18%VPIP and 22%VPIP player who both play similarly postflop. But for your own sake don't let your stats mislead you into believing that playing at close to 30% VPIP in full ring games is more profitable than playing closer to 20%. It isn't. Even if you play very well postflop. Blind play makes a pretty big difference in this number. I personally believe a lot of TAG players should loosen up a bit more in the blinds. But nobody should limp in EP with QTo. Nobody should coldcall a raise by a decent player with KJo. And honestly, some hands that are even accepted as fine to play on this forum (such as Axs in EP) are likely unprofitable for someone who needs a lot of postflop work. The hands that are thought to be profitable (probably ~18-20% of them) on this forum are not just randomly thought up. It comes from people with extensive databases that give a very good indication of where the profitability cutoff is. Ed Miller's SSHE book gave a very good graph and write-up for this indicating the same and verified by data. 30% is just not more profitable than closer to 20%. Even for the best players in good games.