feels dirty (4 worst hands for the day)

oreogod · #1 12-11-2005, 07:33 AM

Bleh hands for the day. Im sure it will only take u a min or two to spot and tell me if u see soemthing wrong (I did not want to spam the forum, so I kept them all in one place). of them all I think Hand 2 stands out. As far as bleh, I mean, missed bets, calls when I should have folded, etc.

Hand 1 I had not seen much out of this guy at this point, so no reads here. I seroiusly wanted to put in another raise here.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Hand 2 Same guy as Hand 1. Apparently, even though I know I should, I do not fold.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB raises, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button calls, Hero WANTS TO FOLD BUT CALLS ANYWAY, so hero calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Button folds, Hero calls.

Hand 3 Different guy, but I had not seen him donk a lot. Maybe a draw once, usually had something. Regardless, since I now suck multiplayer poker Id thought Id relearn how to fold. Im assuming his is the general move in this situation, so maybe this hand shouldnt be here, but regardless, I wasnt sure. (sucky kicker, flush board, A is out, but 3 handed pot)

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (3 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Hand 4 I have a super hard time folding in these situations. BB is same player as in hand 3. I dunno, his 3bet was kind of strong, but I hate hate these situations and they come up often. I was trying to figure if I should raise flop, but that was bleh, raise turn seemed bleh...I suck at folding but I was kind of lost on whether to fold turn or call down.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (3 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

thesharpie · #2 12-11-2005, 07:52 AM

Apart from what you already know about hand 2, the rest are standard to me. What do you think about calling the flop raise and check/raising the turn in hand 1?

oreogod · #3 12-11-2005, 08:21 AM

its a possible line, but I like 3betting usually when Im OOP. The only unfortunate thing is when they cap u. Dunno, I wanted to put in another bet or raise in Hand 1, but I thought getting 3bet sucked. But if u think about possible hands he could have unless hes fastplaying a set, its either worse K or two pair.

Hand 4, I thought about raising the flop...then felt I get 3bet often due to the nature of the board, then on the turn I didnt really want to raise and get 3bet losing out on the chance to possible suck out on a 2-5 outer. If anybody folds Hand 4, please speak up.

POKhER · #4 12-11-2005, 08:24 AM

i probably raise hand 3, SB donk bets are so common where i play so they usually get raised.

Rest looks ok, except hand 2 but you know you should fold turn. Tough to fold TP...

thesharpie · #5 12-11-2005, 08:52 AM

I think putting any more bets in hand 1 would be spewing without a read. There's no point in betting the turn since he's probably going to call when he's behind and raise when ahead, and isn't taking a free card, and even if you plan on folding to a 3 bet if you check/raise (which sucks when he has 2 pair) you might scare him into calling down 2 pair or something so we might lose another bet anyway. On the river I wouldn't feel comfortable bet/folding and I don't think we're ahead often enough to bet/call, even though we did just draw out on K3. I think KQ is a possible holding also, and you never know if he's a nut who had a 9.

In hand 4 I prefer getting to showdown or raising on a street where a 3 bet means I'm toast. I don't think you're that far ahead on the flop, and I don't know if I could find a fold if he 3 pops the cheap street.

waffle · #6 12-11-2005, 09:36 AM

posting blind.

1 is fine and putting in another raise would be chipspewing imo.

2 i agree, you should fold turn. bb raised pf and then bet/3bet flop. and worse yet button is still sticking around. small ace no good.

3 this is a tiny pot and loose players love to play any a. you could be folding the best hand here but i don't think much harm is done. maybe play on if you have a read.

4 this is fine. if a K fell on the river a fold might be correct. i have a problem, i keep calling down with AThigh in this situation, and it's never good. i hate folding [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Peter Harris · #7 12-11-2005, 09:50 AM

hand 1 i like
hand 2 fold the turn yeah.
hand 3 is not a bad fold, reverse implieds and all
hand 4 i raise the flop and fold the turn if it's 3bet and i don't improve. If it's flat called i either bet the turn and fold to a c/r, or check the turn behind and consider calling a river donk UI depending on the texture of the board.

oreogod · #8 12-11-2005, 09:55 AM

dunno, maybe they were not so bleh (except hand 2). Just kind of a bad poker day, and Im probably being results oriented. But seriously, I wish there was another way around Hand 4s situation. The only thing I see that can be changed is the flop, which while making it cheaper if u are behind (getting 3bet and folding turn)...it also has the sideeffects of sometimes getting u to fold the best hand, stopping bluffs, etc. Dunno, I always hate feeling like a fish after those hands, but it probably can not be helped.

Hand 3: I guess I should have rephrased the question to be when do u play on with this hand and what do u do if u do. But really the answer takes care of it self depending on the pot size.

oreogod · #9 12-12-2005, 03:38 AM

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hand 4 i raise the flop and fold the turn if it's 3bet and i don't improve. If it's flat called i either bet the turn and fold to a c/r, or check the turn behind and consider calling a river donk UI depending on the texture of the board.

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yeah thats my usual line. I just felt I was getting 3bet by a good amount of hands here. But also, if u check out tstones Blind stealing threads...those are blind battles, but it really appears that many ppl like going to showdown instead of being aggressive and possibly stopping a multistreet bluff. Your line, for the most part, is usually the line I take.

yellowjack · #10 12-12-2005, 04:00 AM

Hand 1 is good.
Hand 2 you know the error.
Hand 3 is good since your kicker is garbage and you haven't seen him donk often.
Hand 4 - Typically I raise the flop since I'm unfamiliar with other lines and how they work.