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10-08-2005, 09:45 AM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartattack
I think this is a very advanced play even though u don't seem to recognize it.
You should always think about why you are raising. In this case 7 ppl are already in the pot in front of u. Preflop Raising is used to do 1 of 3 things. 1) Build a bigger pot. 2) Knock ppl out of a hand when your hand is vulnerable. 3) Alert people to your holdings. Answer to 1) You do NOT want to build a bigger pot here becuase then EVERYONE will be out to win this pot and stay till the end and you are far less likely to win the pot at the end of the hand. 2) 7 people in a pot already, nobody will fold to 1 more bet (especially from someone in the blinds) Use ur BB position to disguise ur hand and if and when an ace flops u are GOLDEN. Nobody on earth can put u on Aces cause u didnt raise preflop with 8 ppl in the pot. When the flop is favourable for you its MUCH easier to get ppl out of the pot post flop once they havnt hit anything. Especially if you flop a monster. You can slow play the flop and get a few more ppl to stay in till the turn and river where u can extract more money from them. Normally i would never say check preflop but with that many people in a pot and u being out of position id say check away and get away from your hand if a very scary flop comes or more then 1 person shows alot of strength. 
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#3
10-08-2005, 10:06 AM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartattack
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1) Build a bigger pot. Answer to 1) You do NOT want to build a bigger pot here becuase then EVERYONE will be out to win this pot and stay till the end and you are far less likely to win the pot at the end of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] You definitely do want to build a bigger pot with AA. The object of the game isn't just to win pots, it is to win money. Raising AA here has a significant positive EV. [ QUOTE ] 2) Knock ppl out of a hand when your hand is vulnerable. [/ QUOTE ] Another case of wanting to win money, not pots. With AA, you actually want opponents to call, sure, your chances of winning drop, but the bigger pot makes up for it. [ QUOTE ] 3) Alert people to your holdings. Use ur BB position to disguise ur hand and if and when an ace flops u are GOLDEN. Nobody on earth can put u on Aces cause u didnt raise preflop with 8 ppl in the pot. [/ QUOTE ] 8 limpers to you in the BB, there are many hands you should be raising with.
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#4
10-08-2005, 11:49 AM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartattack
Ok Question for ya.
Would you rather play AA against 7 opponents or J10 Suited? I choose J10 Suited because of the obvious drawing potential. With so many people in the pot I would have to assume there are some Weak aces out there making your chances of improving next to nill. And making others chances with 6,7s 8,9s, 9,10 etc much greater chance of winning with straights and 2 pairs. And lets be honest. To win a pot with 7 opponents in it you basically must improve your hand. I think Raising preflop here only increases other peoples +EV not your own. You may have the best hand now but its unliekly you'll finish with the best hand. That’s just how I see it though. AA is such a tough hand to play because it’s so difficult to get rid of mid hand. (Im not an amazing player so its hard for me to just throw it away [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I’m Probably wrong here but hey. Its my 2 Cents.
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#5
10-08-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartattack
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Would you rather play AA against 7 opponents or J10 Suited? I choose J10 Suited.. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think this (not rasing AA out of the BB after 8 limpers) is a very advanced play even though u don't seem to recognize it. [/ QUOTE ] These quotes and the entire thread are just so sad...
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#7
10-08-2005, 06:01 PM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartattack
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Would you rather play AA against 7 opponents or J10 Suited? [/ QUOTE ] Preflop, I'll take AA over any other hand in any situation. JTs might be easier to play post-flop, but it has maybe half the EV in this situation.
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#10
10-08-2005, 01:07 PM
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Re: AA in BB,8 limpers & I didn\'t raise. My buddy almost had a heartat
I quoted and replied to each point seperately but I can save everyone some reading. Basically, no matter how swell you play your Aces after the flop, I don't think you can even come close to making up the lost equity from not raising eight limpers with pocket Aces.
[ QUOTE ] Answer to 1) You do NOT want to build a bigger pot here becuase then EVERYONE will be out to win this pot and stay till the end and you are far less likely to win the pot at the end of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] Of course you DO want to build a bigger pot. With eight limpers, it's pretty clear that everyone is already out to win this pot so let's get the money in while our edge is fat. [ QUOTE ] 2) 7 people in a pot already, nobody will fold to 1 more bet (especially from someone in the blinds) Use ur BB position to disguise ur hand and if and when an ace flops u are GOLDEN. [/ QUOTE ] You're twice as golden if an Ace hits after you raise pre-flop. Then you'll have not only the best hand but probably the best draw, as well, and the pot will be even fatter. Lovely! [ QUOTE ] When the flop is favourable for you its MUCH easier to get ppl out of the pot post flop once they havnt hit anything. [/ QUOTE ] This pot is going to be bloated no matter what you do and you are not taking it down on the flop. At least one or two people are going to pick up a draw or a pair or some hand they want to stick around with. Yes, with more money in the pot, more players would be correct (or closer to correct) to hang around but that's OK, they made their mistakes pre-flop by putting in their two bets. [ QUOTE ] Especially if you flop a monster. You can slow play the flop and get a few more ppl to stay in till the turn and river where u can extract more money from them. [/ QUOTE ] I like to have twice as much money in the pot when I flop my monsters. [ QUOTE ] Normally i would never say check preflop but with that many people in a pot and u being out of position id say check away and get away from your hand if a very scary flop comes or more then 1 person shows alot of strength. [/ QUOTE ] I just don't like this reasoning. Of everyone in the pot, you have the best chance of having the best hand on the flop. You're getting nine to one on your raise assuming the other blind comes along. SpaceAce
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