Flushes are easy 20/40

[blumpkin22]

I was rereading Theory of Poker today and this hand made me recall some things that I read. Seat 1 is a decent but not great regular. It's fairly irrevelant, but Seat 7 is a losing player.

7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.05 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.53 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (5.53 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___?

[lstream]

Well does he have the king of hearts or not? With hearts being so live, it sure looks like he caught the flush. The other possibility is that your completion confused him and he has not put you on your flush. If so, he has to be worried about you starting with split aces. You have not paired up so he could be betting with kings up, or even aces up (unlikely).

I net out with him having the flush though. I lean towards raising and hoping like hell he does not have the king of hearts, or that he has misread. If he three bets, call and then call the river again. If he just calls the raise and checks into you on the river, then bet.

[Michael Emery]

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Well does he have the king of hearts or not? With hearts being so live, it sure looks like he caught the flush. The other possibility is that your completion confused him and he has not put you on your flush. If so, he has to be worried about you starting with split aces. You have not paired up so he could be betting with kings up, or even aces up (unlikely).

I net out with him having the flush though. I lean towards raising and hoping like hell he does not have the king of hearts, or that he has misread. If he three bets, call and then call the river again. If he just calls the raise and checks into you on the river, then bet.

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I love it when someone else posts exactly what I think and I dont have to type it all out. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[benwood]

6th:He expects you to bet if he checks.If he felt confident that his hand was best,it is likely that he would check-raise.I think your hand is still good.

[blumpkin22]

One question that is important to think about is the following: if you were Seat 1 and started with a 3-flush, would you call Hero's bet on fifth street without the king of hearts?

[lstream]

I think a "decent but not great" player will call fifth without the king, especially if he doubts you have the flush. Now if this was Chef for example, I would give her credit for a proper read, and decide that she very likely has the king.

If I was drawing to a flush and saw your board, I would fold the hand without the king, especially considering that the queen of spades is no where in sight.

[blumpkin22]

You definitely have a point about him putting Hero on aces rather than spades. But I still think a fold has to be correct without the K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. If Hero catches another spade on sixth, are you still going to draw? It could get ugly. But definitely many players will call there, putting Hero on aces because they want that to be his hand...

Now, if Seat 1 reraises 6th street, is there any way Hero's hand is good? Is getting the extra bet on fifth street worth losing the extra bets when Seat 1 didn't draw to a sucker hand?

I guess Hero has some straight flush outs...ha.

[lstream]

Well, I have never played 20/40 so I don't know how many players there are capable of making the all important misread here. Down in the minor leagues of 5/10 where I hang out, there are enough mediocre players for me to go out on the limb and raise on sixth. Unless of course, the hand is against a known solid player.

[grb137]

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One question that is important to think about is the following: if you were Seat 1 and started with a 3-flush, would you call Hero's bet on fifth street without the king of hearts?

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yes, especially if I've got a pair to go with my 4-flush. Hero could easily have only 1 pair of aces

[jon_1van]

Remeber, the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is dead. So he can't have the Q. And you are showing JT. So its alot harder for you to beat him if he has a flush (and he thinks you have a flush).

I'd probably 3-bet here. But it's close.