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Old 11-22-2005, 05:07 PM
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Third hand of a 10+1$ MTT on Stars. No reads at all.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1480)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1780)
SB (t1260)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1540)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t50, Hero calls t40, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t60</font>, SB calls t60, Hero calls t60.

Turn: (t380) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t120</font>, Hero calls t120, CO calls t60.

River: (t740) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t500</font>, Hero folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: t1240

My cold call on the turn was because I wanted to see if I could get a cheap showdown on the river. His minraise got me thinking I am beat for a cheap amount on the river it may be worth to see. Opinions?

EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I think its the easiest fold ever. Should I just throw it away against his minraise?
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: Standard fold?

I don't have this fold in me at all.

Imagine you're a donkey SB with Tx. Imagine you're a donkey CO with Jx. How would you play?

P.S. Take out the little results thing if you still can edit.
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:49 PM
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why call 120 on the turn if you are going to fold to any reasonable bet on the river. you couldnt ask for a better river card. more importantly, what hands are you going to call a reasonable bet on the river with if you wont call with the 2nd nut straight on a paired board? im not following.
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:50 PM
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why call 120 on the turn if you are going to fold to any reasonable bet on the river.

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Please don't make this argument. It's perfectly reasonable to call a bet on one street and fold on another to the new information about a player's hand that you're given.
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Standard fold?

In a $10 MTT, SB has been slowing playing a naked T here far too often to make me fold.

I raise the river all in as well since all T's are calling, if he has the boat so be it.

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Old 11-22-2005, 05:59 PM
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I don't think I could fold here. If I lost to a boat, or higher straight, oh well. And I'd probably raise the turn. Min raises don't scare me THAT much (not at a $10 SNG on Stars, anyway). I'm curious why you didn't raise the turn?

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Old 11-22-2005, 06:08 PM
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I never fold this. Most likely I reraise allin for value. I think you beat his hand 70% of the time or more.
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:26 PM
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I never fold this. Most likely I reraise allin for value. I think you beat his hand 70% of the time or more.

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Old 11-22-2005, 06:53 PM
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I don't understand -- you played a poor starting hand with the hopes of hitting something -- you hit the 2nd nut straight with no flush possibilities and an unlikely possiblity of a boat and you want to fold? Why did we start this hand again?

BT
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:58 PM
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I don't understand -- you played a poor starting hand with the hopes of hitting something -- you hit the 2nd nut straight with no flush possibilities and an unlikely possiblity of a boat and you want to fold? Why did we start this hand again?

BT

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STOP MAKING THESE ARGUMENTS.

Consistency arguments have no place in game theory. It's perfectly legal to change your mind given new information.
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