"A Pair of Fours" Again

[andyfox]

I know that since Mason didn't raise the flop, it's unlikely he has 9-8, but the point still holds.

[brad]

'(and some opponents may even throw away a better hand here occassionally). '

thats what i thought. most opponents wont check raise bluff ever really, so if you think opponent will fold 55-77 for another bet on end then i say you need to do it.

[brad]

ok im not making this up but i read masons post (read the book long time ago) and first thing i thought is maybe need to bet on the end (aginst typical play\er who wont check rasie bluff like almost no one does).

scary. i thought i would be only one to comment on river. heh.

[mike l.]

"I think a pretty decent case can be made for value betting here"

i just want to go on record as having said this on the gossip forum about 5 days ago. when you got coilean thinking the way you are you just know youre running good! oh yeah!

i think it's a pretty easy river bet. what if other player folds 55 or the other 44 or something? or calls w/ A high? it's just a delicious option with such a big pot out there and the ever-increasing knowledge that your 44 is good. go bet them rivers boys!

(ps: ill be in vegas january 6-8. hope to attend the wednesday poker meeting. coilean do you live out there? would love to meet up with you, dynasty, clark, the babe, whoever else!)

[Clarkmeister]

I think Coilean lives in the St. Louis area.

You still have my #, right?

[mike l.]

"This kind of thinking is why Coilean is much tougher than me and most other posters here."

top 5 for sure. it goes snakehead, tommy, coilean, oz, and a fifth place tie between andy fox, dynasty, clark, ulysses, mason, and about 4-5 others.

now back to playing 1-2 online.

[mikelow]

[mike l.]

[astroglide]

i used to watch him get eaten alive playing tightass in the 1-4-4-8 spread limit in st louis quite often [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i used to play it too, and started playing 10/20 instead. he stayed at the other game for a while, and then bizarrely moved to omaha (i believe 5/10) exclusively.

i was always in and out of the casinos playing 20/40, more out than in, after online play started getting larger. i noticed him playing 20 after a while but by that point i was like 90% online. most times i showed up he'd be there.

one of the last times i played b&m he was there in the 20 game. i had jacks in the bb. there was an openraise in lmp, a coldcall, and he thought a very short bit and called in the sb. i thought he had AQ and 3bet with my jacks, all called.

flop was a bunch of bricks. i checked hoping the preflop raiser would bet, and that coilean would put me on a checkraising pair of kings. the guy bet, next guy folded, i began to act out my raise, and coilean hemmed and hawed a bit before folding. to his chagrin i called, planning on checkraising the turn now that everyone was out.

turn was a queen and it checked through. at this point he told me he had AQ and thought i had kings [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] river was a queen and i bet and got called.

he seriously put in some hours, god knows how long he played the 1-4-4-8 and he was always studious, sort of like a nerdier (i say this in tribute) and less pensive howard lederer.

i never logged too many hours with him in the 20 games, but i'm certain that he did well out in california or wherever it is he moved. he could become visibly upset when running bad, but i never once saw him tilt or go loose. that certainly gives him a leg up on most of us. i'm only NOW getting to the point of consistency.

[skp]

Jan 6th, you say? Damn...I'll be leaving Vegas then having arrived on Jn 1st. Hope to see Clarky and the other lads again.