KK, top set and I'm bet into by EP...wait for turn to raise?

[lautzutao]

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="green">Hero ???</font>

Ok, I'm about to cream my pants because I'm bet into with this hand. But I got to thinking that waitin for a turn raise might be a good idea here. Anybody with a straight draw is coming regardless, no free card is being given, and I trap everyone on the turn with a raise if the BB bets again. Good or make them pay now?

[xenthebrain]

You have everyone trapped now, there is no guarantee that the ep bettor has the balls to bet into 5 people on the turn again.

Raise it up for value.

[Reqtech]

Are you still going to raise on the turn of a 4, 6, 9, or a J comes down?

Raise that flop. You already have a huge pot, time to try and push out any gutshots (with hopefully an EP 3-bet).

[lautzutao]

But that's kinda the reason I'm waiting for the turn. These guys are coming regardless, and I'm raising the turn no matter what here, yeah. Even if I end up "behind" I still got 10 outs and 4 players coming along more than likely.

*edit- If I raise now it dries up the turn action unless I'm beat yes? It's gonna be checked to me unless someone hits their straight yes?

[xenthebrain]

You have a huge equity edge here.
With a save card on the turn it will not become significantly bigger.
Raise now. Raise for value. Read SSH "two overpair hands".

[Paxosmotic]

People seem to have forgotten that slowplaying is a viable way to extract more value from particularly strong hands. I guess everyone's waiting for that day they flop quad aces in a .04BB pot with the aggressor on their immediate right so they can immediately post it on here and impress their internet friends. I wait for the turn, and if you like money and kicking babies as much as I do, you wait too.

[Paxosmotic]

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Read SSH "two overpair hands".

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Not even close. Not even remotely close.

[lautzutao]

But I have more value waiting for the turn don't I? I'm getting value on a BB raise, not a SB raise aren't I?

[Fantam]

If they are betting and calling straight draws on the flop, how do you know that someone will bet if they miss their draw on the turn.

I would raise the flop and get value for your hand, while you can.

True; just read "Two Overpair Hands" last night, and it deals with your hand's ability to withstand pressure, not when to raise a set.