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Old 10-03-2005, 03:03 PM
Weatherhead03 Weatherhead03 is offline
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)

Call. You have good implied odds if you hit your straight you could also get the flush..although not likely. If you hit a J though still call down.
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Old 10-03-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)

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Call. You have good implied odds if you hit your straight you could also get the flush..although not likely. If you hit a J though still call down.

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I think you have fairly poor implied odds in this situation. Whatever hand you make 1) puts a four-flush or four-straight on the board and 2) can easily be outdrawn by a board-pairing river.
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Old 10-03-2005, 03:10 PM
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*grunch*
He's played half the hands and hasn't raised once. It's a small sample but he's raising less than 10% (and now he's 3 bet) and hero is behind here 95%.
I might be tempted to peel one more for a SB convincing myself I had the implied odds BUT the truth is I could still be dominated when I catch my J. Even if I do catch the miracle Q (and he's caught trips), I'm still going to lose ~20%.

FOLD. Punish the [censored] next time.
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Old 10-03-2005, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)

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Villain has only 10 hands. Hasn't yet pfr, but VPIP 50%.


Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises, 8 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K, T, A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ???


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Cap pf, fold flop.

I love pocket pairs.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)

I call here. Q, J, even of Qd is good here. I don't see raising beating many of the hands that will 3bet and lead on this flop. You're drawing to the nut straight, a decent outside flush, and the trips may very well stay good here if you hit. Since the quality of your drawing hands is high, I say call and see that turn card. Fold if he leads and turn is a blank.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:44 PM
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I think this is an easy fold.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:54 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)

everyone who said the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is a dirty out, please read the board.
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Old 10-03-2005, 08:06 PM
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Thanks all, I did the peel & folded when a blank hit the turn.
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Old 10-03-2005, 10:06 PM
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Grunch

Cap preflop, then either

a) raise/call flop, regardless fold turn ui if bet in to.
b) call flop, reevaluate pot odds for live gs and an out for the JJ too

dependent on your read
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Old 10-04-2005, 03:56 AM
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everyone who said the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is a dirty out, please read the board.

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yeah this is clearly clean
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