Where is the rules about these situations?

Jack Bando · #1 11-05-2005, 12:44 PM

Playing a home tourney last night and we came up against a few rule problems. I am sure about the rulings, but no one at my home game believed me. Please also post where the rule is found (Robert's Rules 5.7 for example) because my word isn't good enough there.

1)Heads up who is the small blind and why? (I said button, due to playing on Stars and the back of Harrington's second book. They said the other guy is sb because the guy left of the button is always sb.)

2)Are side pots OPTIONAL with one all in and two still with chips besides the AI? The other non-AI guy said to me, "Do you want to make a side pot?" There is no chips in the side at the moment, so I said "let's wait till the flop." ( I might bet, and what he said is breaking ettiquite if not the rules) "NO YOU MUST DECIDE NOW!" "Fine, yes."

3)If I have 75 in the button, blinds at 100 & 200, everyone folds to me. I go all-in, SB calls, BB checks. The main pot is 225 and the side is 250. If i'm in the sb with 75 and the everyone folds to me, I'm all-in and can only win 75 from everyone still in, right? They said I can win the BB from everyone.... (So if I have one chis left of $1 and the blinds are $1000-$2000, they suggest waiting till I'm the blind, cause I could friggin go from $1 to $2000+. People who didn't know poker that well at the table were like, "That don't sound right...."

4)You have to turn your hand up with everyone but one person all-in right before the river? If I go all-in preflop and someone calls, we turn over the hands right? They were saying "it's optional..." and I said "Not in a tourney."

Thanks for reading and helping.

smoore · #2 11-05-2005, 01:12 PM

1) button is. can be modified for house rules

2) haha! you know you're right

3) you can win (your stack * active players)

4) open hands in most tournaments but this is DEFINITELY the realm of a house rule

#3 11-05-2005, 01:29 PM

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4. In heads-up play with two blinds, the small blind is on the button.

[/ QUOTE ] Roberts Rules of poker section 4 rule 4 http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/chapter4.php

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2)Are side pots OPTIONAL with one all in and two still with chips besides the AI? The other non-AI guy said to me, "Do you want to make a side pot?" There is no chips in the side at the moment, so I said "let's wait till the flop." ( I might bet, and what he said is breaking ettiquite if not the rules) "NO YOU MUST DECIDE NOW!" "Fine, yes."

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Not only is this not the case the idea of the players discussing whether or not hey will be betting against each oother is collusion and not permitted. While the players may just check it down they can not say -- hey if you check I'll check.

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3)If I have 75 in the button, blinds at 100 & 200, everyone folds to me. I go all-in, SB calls, BB checks. The main pot is 225 and the side is 250. If i'm in the sb with 75 and the everyone folds to me, I'm all-in and can only win 75 from everyone still in, right? They said I can win the BB from everyone.... (So if I have one chis left of $1 and the blinds are $1000-$2000, they suggest waiting till I'm the blind, cause I could friggin go from $1 to $2000+. People who didn't know poker that well at the table were like, "That don't sound right...."

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Why are you playing in this game? This is absurd.

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4)You have to turn your hand up with everyone but one person all-in right before the river? If I go all-in preflop and someone calls, we turn over the hands right? They were saying "it's optional..." and I said "Not in a tourney."

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Although TDA rules would require the hands be exposed before the hand continues, and this is a common tournament rule, it is not universal. So you guys just need to decide what rule you are using.

Jack Bando · #4 11-05-2005, 02:00 PM

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3)If I have 75 in the button, blinds at 100 & 200, everyone folds to me. I go all-in, SB calls, BB checks. The main pot is 225 and the side is 250. If i'm in the sb with 75 and the everyone folds to me, I'm all-in and can only win 75 from everyone still in, right? They said I can win the BB from everyone.... (So if I have one chis left of $1 and the blinds are $1000-$2000, they suggest waiting till I'm the blind, cause I could friggin go from $1 to $2000+. People who didn't know poker that well at the table were like, "That don't sound right...."

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Why are you playing in this game? This is absurd.

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Three reasons I play in this game.

1)There is no cheap casino tourneys in the area
2)They are all family/step family
3)Why am I playing in a game where no one has a clue about the game? Because no one has a clue about the game.

#5 11-05-2005, 07:24 PM

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3) you can win (your stack * active players)

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Unless one of the active players is also all in and has less then your stack.

There have been many a times in which we had to waste time figuring out the side pots because multiple people went all in and just threw their money in the pot.

#6 11-08-2005, 02:02 PM

You're right on every count -- as stated above, #4 is worth discussing with the group. But, yes:

- The button is SB in heads-up play. My guess is to keep the same player from being in the same position throughout the entire hand (i.e. button acts last on all four rounds).

- Side pots aren't "optional" -- if someone bets, then *poof*, side pot. If not, then no side pot.

- Your friends obviously don't understand the concept of a side pot if this question is even asked. "Table stakes" implies you can only win as much from each player as you have in front of you, and you're not forced to fold if you run out of chips. (I saw a video game once where you were -- pretty lame, in retrospect, but I was 10, what did I know?)

Good luck with bringing everyone around.

Bulldog · #7 11-08-2005, 05:12 PM

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you're not forced to fold if you run out of chips. (I saw a video game once where you were -- pretty lame

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Pretty lame? Only correct strategy is to say "all in" each time the action comes to you for the entire tournament.

Jack Bando · #8 11-08-2005, 09:48 PM

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- Side pots aren't "optional" -- if someone bets, then *poof*, side pot. If not, then no side pot.

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Actually Zero, I think he knew that. He was basically asking to lock the hand up and auto-call down the other guy.

The worst thing is since I'm the youngest/second youngest (21) every time we play, it's basically four groups of people. Me, The know it all's who don't know it all (people I argue rules with), newbies (not in a negative way) so they can't argue, and very quiet who don't like arguing. So it's me vs. 1-3 people who are wrong.

They also once said if two people have the same high card in a flush it's a chop...

J.Copperthite · #9 11-09-2005, 01:26 PM

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They also once said if two people have the same high card in a flush it's a chop...

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And while we're at it, lets just go ahead and throw one-eyed jacks in as wild cards...

#10 11-09-2005, 01:34 PM

dealer is sb because dealer is always last to act, and sb must act before bb. its pretty logical when you break it down, but it doesn't really matter who's dealing as which blind since it alternates every hand anyway.