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Old 02-17-2004, 08:21 AM
Bluff1 Bluff1 is offline
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Default Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

I'm just wondering if the U.S. is making any current attempts to stop online gambling?
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Old 02-17-2004, 09:11 AM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

they cant stop online gambling since the sights arent in the US. They can make it difficult to put money into the sights which would kill the fish pool pretty fast.
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Old 02-17-2004, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

To quote Colin Montgomerie in one of the funniest interviews I saw, "Have you been away?"

They've been making it more and more difficult as they find ways. Poker hasn't been a direct target yet but sportsbooks and other sites have.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

Couldn't they simply make it illegal for American citizens to gamble online?

Couldn't they also simply order that American ISP's block access to offshore gaming sites?
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

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Couldn't they simply make it illegal for American citizens to gamble online?

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It is in many states under strange old laws. Wake_up_CALL, this is right up your alley. I know you have the info on this and how the wire act applies if it applies at all, etc.
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Old 02-17-2004, 01:06 PM
Wake up CALL Wake up CALL is offline
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

Thanks for the endorsement CrackerZack. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The Federal Wire Act of 1960 applies specifically to "any sporting event or contest". This has been further clarified to not include the person placing the bet but only the person accepting the bet and according to the the US 5th Circuit of Appeals to sports betting only. Although the US Attorney Generals Office publicly disagrees with this interpretation the only recourse left is to appeal the relevant 5th Court decision to the US Supreme Court (which they have declined to do) or for the US Congress to either modify the current statute or write new laws specifically with internet gambling as it's focus (which they have attempted to pass the last two sessions of Congress).

As I believe someone mentioned above Congress has focused on the transaction aspects of internet gambling, so far refusing to distinguish between games of skill or chance.



See Title 18 Part I Chapter 50 Sec. 1084 of the US criminal code for further information.

As CrackerZack wrote this act does not preclude States from enacting more restrictive laws. As far as I know Nevada is the only state to modify their laws with specific language that includes the word "internet".

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Old 02-17-2004, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

Speaking of Nevada, what is the exact law? Is it sports betting only or does it apply to poker as well?
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Old 02-17-2004, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

Although the US Attorney Generals Office publicly disagrees with this interpretation the only recourse left is to appeal the relevant 5th Court decision to the US Supreme Court (which they have declined to do) or for the US Congress to either modify the current statute or write new laws specifically with internet gambling as it's focus (which they have attempted to pass the last two sessions of Congress).

....or wait for a nice set of facts (involving allegations of money laundering, drugs, terrorism, etc) in any of the 11 other circuits (who don't have to follow the 5th Circuit's ruling- the 5th circuit encompasses TX, LA and MS) and bring a case there hoping for a more favorable interpretation.
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Old 02-17-2004, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

Washington state may be going the other direction.

Another article.

Can any lawyers or other informed folks tell us if this would naturally extend to poker? I see a lot of parallels (especially the specific mention of 'account wagering').
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Old 02-17-2004, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Will the U.S. try to stop online gambling

So, Nevada is the only state to ban this particular type of gambling? Does this qualify for our "irony" discussion?
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