On the fly thinking -- out counting exercise

[nomadtla]

1)5.75/6
2)10/11
3)7/6.5
4)7/6.5
5)12.5/14
6)5/5.75
7)13/14
8)3/3
9)8/7.5
10)4.5/3.5
11)4/5
12)2/2
13)2.5/2
14)2/2
15)7/7.5
16)5/6.5
17)3/2.5
18)3/4
19)5.5/5.5
20)3.5/3.5


Great exercise Greg. More of these "on the fly" questions would help us all I think.

[Greg J]

I screwed up in writing question 19. That was my fault.

[VoraciousReader]

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I screwed up in writing question 19. That was my fault.

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Pssst, Greg...as my bf the teacher would say...you didn't screw up, you included a trick question!

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[Greg J]

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I screwed up in writing question 19. That was my fault.

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Pssst, Greg...as my bf the teacher would say...you didn't screw up, you included a trick question!

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Once upon a time I was a middle school teacher, so I can appreciate this! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[TennesseeKid]

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5) 15/18

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I would discount your overcards much more than this

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This makes sense. How do you get to .25 outs or such? I suppose on very weak bdsd's??

[nomadtla]

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5) 15/18

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I would discount your overcards much more than this

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This makes sense. How do you get to .25 outs or such? I suppose on very weak bdsd's??

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An example
11) K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ………………………A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

You might count your inside straight draw as good for about 2.75 outs since a 2 will not give you the nuts and the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] puts a three flush on board

[Greg J]

Here are some answers. Some of you disagree with some of these, so I have tried to explain the reasoning. I may be incorrect in a couple of answers, so please point out counter arguments. I'm not a guy that will keep arguing I'm right after being shown I was wrong (at least I like to think I'm not), so don't be afraid to try to prove me wrong about something. I have offered some explanations on more of the more difficult and potentially contenscious ones.

1) 7
2) 9 (7 for OESD and 2 for overcards that might make someone else a straight)
3) 7
4) 6.5 (see the double gutter?)
5) 11.25
6) 6.5
7) 12
8) 3.5
9) 8.5 (I'm only counting .5 outs for the set outs, and that is mainly for a boat redraw)
10) 4.5
11) 5.75 (BD nut flush + discounted inside straight)
12) 1.5 (one of yr 5s is a spade!)
13) 1.5 (this one gives me a headache!)
14) 2
15) 6.5 (since it's ass ended)
16) 6.75
17) 3
18) 4
19) f up by me, but if yr behind let's call it 2.5 (I like to think I'm ahead here most of the time of course)
20) 4 (BD to the nut flush)

[Greg J]

Bump for the night crowd. Plus I wanted some discussion on this (I just found one HUGE error that I corrected).

[Walker]

I see you fixed the answer to #11. I think #13 is worth more like 2.5 outs.

Nice post chief!

[PokerSparky]

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11) 5.75 (BD nut flush + discounted inside straight)


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I still don't see how you're getting this many outs for this draw? The most I can legitimately come up with is 5. 3.5 (for the gutshot -- you have to discount the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) + 1.5 (the max I'd give a bdfd).