QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?

grjr · #1 07-19-2005, 06:33 AM

Just sat down so no reads on anyone. What do you do on the turn (and river if you call the turn)?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero??

@bsolute_luck · #2 07-19-2005, 06:37 AM

i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ClintD · #3 07-19-2005, 06:40 AM

With no reads do you feel like there is an 8:1 chance he is value betting one of those many draws?

Could have been doing so on the flop and made his straight on the turn. I think you are getting enough to call and check/call on the river.

Fantam · #4 07-19-2005, 06:49 AM

If you call the turn and check/call the river UI the effective odds that you are getting are about 9:2 or 4.5:1.

So I would feel inclined to fold to the turn raise here.

toss · #5 07-19-2005, 06:53 AM

What range of hands do you think villain will raise with here? Theres two flush draws out and a striaght draw. I think this makes it a harder decision.

grjr · #6 07-19-2005, 06:53 AM

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i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ok, then assume you call the turn and something like the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits. Do you check/call?

@bsolute_luck · #7 07-19-2005, 07:10 AM

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i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ok, then assume you call the turn and something like the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits. Do you check/call?

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i'd probably check/call anything that is a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

though looking back on the hand, i can see arguments for folding the turn with a K and straight draws coming in against an unknown.

the other line possible is to bet a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and fold to a raise, but i never like that line HU on the river.

Watain · #8 07-19-2005, 08:28 AM

I think you are drawing dead here. I seems like he have a pair of K, a set or a straight. The best you could hope for is a semi-bluff with a open straight draw (unlikely) or a full-blown bluff (even more unliky).

Let´s say you are in front 5% of the times here. If you give this one up you´ll lose 0,4 big bet. And you have to call 2 big bets to se the river. You have 4 % of hitting the Q on the river, but with the st8 draw i would say that it would only make you a winner 2% of the times.

So let´s say have 6% pot equity, that´s around 0,5 big bet.

Fold the bastard.

MrEngenic · #9 07-19-2005, 08:47 AM

I call down no matter what I think.

Iq75 · #10 07-19-2005, 08:58 AM

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If you call the turn and check/call the river UI the effective odds that you are getting are about 9:2 or 4.5:1.

So I would feel inclined to fold to the turn raise here.

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yep,

in theory i dont think that the villain is semibluffraising a flush draw or a straight draw or just plain bluffing often enough to make this call.

but in practice i allways call and check/call the river [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]