Time to improve my game

byronkincaid · #1 05-26-2005, 08:41 AM

I've been playing the $50s for about a year now and I've just had a 3 week break even run. Although I know it's possible to play 5-600 sngs and break even when playing well it's likely that there are numerous leaks in my game that need sorting out. I've taken some hands from my last few games and I'd appreciate any and all comments. I'm not a math type player, I just do what feels right from experience and what I've learnt from this forum. Maybe I should have a play with Eastbay's tool or something? If there are any math guys who want to start exchanging HH's then please PM me.

Hand 1 - I do this quite a lot.

300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:55:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (2458)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (2766)
Seat 5: suppo (1722)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1536)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (1518)
MrNotNice posts small blind (150)
Electro_Funk posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Kc, 4d ]
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD folds.
MrNotNice calls (150)
Electro_Funk raises (2158) to 2458
Electro_Funk is all-In.

Hand 2 - I sometimes do this deep into extra time...try to get a tell. (I know-should have limped

)

30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:27:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (955)
Seat 2: thefreak777 (1160)
Seat 3: maralis (1070)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (1065)
Seat 5: suppo (1083)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1910)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (957)
Seat 9: aronkap (665)
Seat 10: Ryanjohn68 (1135)
suppo posts small blind (15)
AgentReDD posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Jh, Jd ]
MrNotNice folds.
aronkap folds.
Ryanjohn68 folds.
Electro_Funk raises (90) to 90
thefreak777 folds.
maralis folds.
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 2h, 6h ]
AgentReDD checks.
Electro_Funk bets (150)
AgentReDD raises (1820) to 1820
AgentReDD is all-In.
Electro_Funk: JJ
AgentReDD: i got you beat
Electro_Funk folds.

Hand 3 - eurobet HH's are weird I'll try the converter. I just didn't believe he had anything.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1265)
UTG (t1150)
MP (t2842)
Button (t1656)
SB (t3087)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls t200, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t400, SB folds, Hero raises to t1065 (All-In), MP calls t665.

Turn: (t2730) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2730) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2730

Hand 4 - dunno why just felt right

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t945)
MP3 (t975)
CO (t987)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1490)
BB (t995)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t843)
MP1 (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, SB calls t75, 1 fold.

Flop: (t210) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero raises to t200, SB folds.

Final Pot: t470

Hand 5 - good flop for 77?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t2245)
MP (t1330)
CO (t1685)
Button (t2633)
SB (t667)
BB (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, Button calls t500, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1745 (All-In), Button calls t1745.

Turn: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t47

Phill S · #2 05-26-2005, 09:06 AM

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Hand 2 - I sometimes do this deep into extra time...try to get a tell. (I know-should have limped

)

30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:27:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (955)
Seat 2: thefreak777 (1160)
Seat 3: maralis (1070)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (1065)
Seat 5: suppo (1083)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1910)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (957)
Seat 9: aronkap (665)
Seat 10: Ryanjohn68 (1135)
suppo posts small blind (15)
AgentReDD posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Jh, Jd ]
MrNotNice folds.
aronkap folds.
Ryanjohn68 folds.
Electro_Funk raises (90) to 90
thefreak777 folds.
maralis folds.
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 2h, 6h ]
AgentReDD checks.
Electro_Funk bets (150)
AgentReDD raises (1820) to 1820
AgentReDD is all-In.
Electro_Funk: JJ
AgentReDD: i got you beat
Electro_Funk folds.

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Presumably you believed him. Why?

Not sure i would. In fact id be more inclined to believe he has nothing when saying he does. This may be a level too shallow however.

Not sure you can effectively do this online - maybe thats just me though.

Any way i look at it, id be inclined to fold it on the flop anyway - you showed strenth, he shows a lot more with the check-raise, the fold is right imo, i just dont get why asking is good.

What if he shows AT? This shows to the table you can be bluffed of 'big hands'. Just fold it quietly.

Again, i emphasise this is all in my opinion, take that how you want

Phill

byronkincaid · #3 05-26-2005, 09:31 AM

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i just dont get why asking is good.

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In general I think it's good to talk in that you sometimes get people softplaying you if you've made friends with them. Specifically in this example I asked because a) in my experience people tell the truth and expect you to think it's a lie b) he's more likely to show when I fold which gives me information. He did show and I started laughing because there was a perfectly logical reason for him to say what he did. If you're interested I'll tell you what he had a bit later.

hansarnic · #4 05-26-2005, 09:43 AM

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Hand 3 - eurobet HH's are weird I'll try the converter. I just didn't believe he had anything.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1265)
UTG (t1150)
MP (t2842)
Button (t1656)
SB (t3087)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls t200, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t400, SB folds, Hero raises to t1065 (All-In), MP calls t665.

Turn: (t2730) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2730) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2730

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Push PF here instead. There's already 600 int he pot & most times he has nothing much & will fold.

byronkincaid · #5 05-26-2005, 09:55 AM

Yes, it's interesting why I make that move a lot against a SB limper but not if someone else has limped as well. I think I probably feel suspicious in general about limpers. In this particular case they both had me easily outchipped so I would have expected a call. I'm feeling all weak tight now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

RobGW · #6 05-26-2005, 02:14 PM

If someone who normally enters with a raise and now he limps I would be suspicious. If he limps all the time, I'd push this PF. Winning that extra $200 means you don't have to do it as often to make the same amount of money. You do have to consider the stack sizes of you and you opponents though. Good point.

ilya · #7 05-26-2005, 03:00 PM

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i just dont get why asking is good.

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In general I think it's good to talk in that you sometimes get people softplaying you if you've made friends with them. Specifically in this example I asked because a) in my experience people tell the truth and expect you to think it's a lie b) he's more likely to show when I fold which gives me information. He did show and I started laughing because there was a perfectly logical reason for him to say what he did. If you're interested I'll tell you what he had a bit later.

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You are ahead of T2, T6, and 62, so I'm confused....I think I might call here, mostly because I have a good flush redraw in case he flopped a set.

shadyridr · #8 05-26-2005, 03:08 PM

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Hand 1 - I do this quite a lot.

300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:55:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (2458)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (2766)
Seat 5: suppo (1722)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1536)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (1518)
MrNotNice posts small blind (150)
Electro_Funk posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Kc, 4d ]
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD folds.
MrNotNice calls (150)
Electro_Funk raises (2158) to 2458
Electro_Funk is all-In.

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I'd check here. Especially since your going against the SB here and he's very likely to call your allin bet considering he called the blind. And do you really wanna go head's up with K4 being that your 2nd in chips?

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Hand 2 - I sometimes do this deep into extra time...try to get a tell. (I know-should have limped

)

30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:27:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (955)
Seat 2: thefreak777 (1160)
Seat 3: maralis (1070)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (1065)
Seat 5: suppo (1083)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1910)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (957)
Seat 9: aronkap (665)
Seat 10: Ryanjohn68 (1135)
suppo posts small blind (15)
AgentReDD posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Jh, Jd ]
MrNotNice folds.
aronkap folds.
Ryanjohn68 folds.
Electro_Funk raises (90) to 90
thefreak777 folds.
maralis folds.
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 2h, 6h ]
AgentReDD checks.
Electro_Funk bets (150)
AgentReDD raises (1820) to 1820
AgentReDD is all-In.
Electro_Funk: JJ
AgentReDD: i got you beat
Electro_Funk folds.

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I think you played this perfectly up until you spoke to your opponent. I would've folded anyway.

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Hand 3 - eurobet HH's are weird I'll try the converter. I just didn't believe he had anything.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1265)
UTG (t1150)
MP (t2842)
Button (t1656)
SB (t3087)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls t200, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t400, SB folds, Hero raises to t1065 (All-In), MP calls t665.

Turn: (t2730) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2730) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2730

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This is a clear push PF, IMO

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Hand 4 - dunno why just felt right

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t945)
MP3 (t975)
CO (t987)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1490)
BB (t995)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t843)
MP1 (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, SB calls t75, 1 fold.

Flop: (t210) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero raises to t200, SB folds.

Final Pot: t470

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Played perfectly IMO

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Hand 5 - good flop for 77?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t2245)
MP (t1330)
CO (t1685)
Button (t2633)
SB (t667)
BB (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, Button calls t500, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1745 (All-In), Button calls t1745.

Turn: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t47

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I put him on a high pocket pair and really dislike the allin bet.

ilya · #9 05-26-2005, 03:14 PM

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I've been playing the $50s for about a year now and I've just had a 3 week break even run. Although I know it's possible to play 5-600 sngs and break even when playing well it's likely that there are numerous leaks in my game that need sorting out. I've taken some hands from my last few games and I'd appreciate any and all comments. I'm not a math type player, I just do what feels right from experience and what I've learnt from this forum. Maybe I should have a play with Eastbay's tool or something? If there are any math guys who want to start exchanging HH's then please PM me.

Hand 1 - I do this quite a lot.

300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:55:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (2458)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (2766)
Seat 5: suppo (1722)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1536)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (1518)
MrNotNice posts small blind (150)
Electro_Funk posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Kc, 4d ]
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD folds.
MrNotNice calls (150)
Electro_Funk raises (2158) to 2458
Electro_Funk is all-In.

Hand 2 - I sometimes do this deep into extra time...try to get a tell. (I know-should have limped

)

30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12540904) - Thu May 26 06:27:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11191 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Electro_Funk (955)
Seat 2: thefreak777 (1160)
Seat 3: maralis (1070)
Seat 4: TourneyKit (1065)
Seat 5: suppo (1083)
Seat 6: AgentReDD (1910)
Seat 7: MrNotNice (957)
Seat 9: aronkap (665)
Seat 10: Ryanjohn68 (1135)
suppo posts small blind (15)
AgentReDD posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Electro_Funk [ Jh, Jd ]
MrNotNice folds.
aronkap folds.
Ryanjohn68 folds.
Electro_Funk raises (90) to 90
thefreak777 folds.
maralis folds.
TourneyKit folds.
suppo folds.
AgentReDD calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, 2h, 6h ]
AgentReDD checks.
Electro_Funk bets (150)
AgentReDD raises (1820) to 1820
AgentReDD is all-In.
Electro_Funk: JJ
AgentReDD: i got you beat
Electro_Funk folds.

Hand 3 - eurobet HH's are weird I'll try the converter. I just didn't believe he had anything.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1265)
UTG (t1150)
MP (t2842)
Button (t1656)
SB (t3087)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls t200, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t400, SB folds, Hero raises to t1065 (All-In), MP calls t665.

Turn: (t2730) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2730) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2730

Hand 4 - dunno why just felt right

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t945)
MP3 (t975)
CO (t987)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1490)
BB (t995)
UTG (t1130)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t843)
MP1 (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, SB calls t75, 1 fold.

Flop: (t210) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero raises to t200, SB folds.

Final Pot: t470

Hand 5 - good flop for 77?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t2245)
MP (t1330)
CO (t1685)
Button (t2633)
SB (t667)
BB (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t500, 2 folds, Button calls t500, 2 folds.

Flop: (t1300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1745 (All-In), Button calls t1745.

Turn: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4790) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t47

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Well, I only just moved up to the $50s, but here's my take.

1. Great. One thing, I like waiting until at least 100/200 blinds before starting to do this...if the SB completes at level 4 or earlier, I won't raise/push unless I really need chips. My idea is to make sure he believes me when way more chips are at stake. But this is 150/300 so I'm just rambling.

Hand #2 - Like I said elsewhere in this post, I might call on the flop since I have the Jh.

Hand #3 - I don't like pushing from the BB with a limper, either. This may be a leak for both of us though. I would just check/fold this hand I think.

Hand #4 - I like this play, he could be betting anything here. But I wouldn't do this with KK, I would just call.

Hand #5 - I would fold preflop, playing a raised pot could easily eat all my chips here and I don't want to risk it all on a smallish pair out of position when my stack is quite healthy. If I didn't fold preflop but raised like you did, I would probably feel like a weak/tight loser as I check/folded the flop.

byronkincaid · #10 05-26-2005, 04:46 PM

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You are ahead of T2, T6, and 62, so I'm confused....I think I might call here, mostly because I have a good flush redraw in case he flopped a set.

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He had 66 for the set. He was concerned about me having a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] so he said what he did.

I think people are maybe underestimating the benefits of talking to people. Probably cos everyones 8 tabling they have no time. As an example I pushed on the bubble the other day and some guy is taking ages to decide what to do. Muppet to my left tells him to call. I got the hump with that and raised all in every time he was in the pot or was BB. He didn't have the bottle to do what he was telling the other guy to do and got blinded out calling me lots of rude words because I was picking on him. If you shouldn't be rude to the big stack perhaps there are advantages to making friends with him instead no?