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Old 04-08-2005, 06:54 PM
PrayingMantis PrayingMantis is offline
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Default 3 hands from a rebuy sat to WSOP

It's a $33 rebuy, 209 players, 1st wins a seat+$1000, 2-7 win $650, 7th win $100. Basically it is a winner takes all.

Hand 1


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t3420)
MP1 (t5775)
MP2 (t8932)
MP3 (t6683)
CO (t4305)
Button (t5700)
SB (t7470)
Hero (t11498)
UTG (t9929)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t150, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t1500</font>, SB folds, Hero folds.

I have TP-no-kicker, and button, who is a pretty bad player if I can judge from previous hands, is making yet another overbet at this not so dangarous looking flop, after he limped PF. It's not the first time he's doing it - few times he even pushed his whole stack into tiny pots, and all folded. Does anybody think it's a +EV spot? if so - what is my move if not folding my marginal trash? I'd suspect he has some medium-small pocket pair, or some straight draw. But he MIGHT do it with QJ, who knows. Strange spot.


Hand 2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter

Button (t28975)
SB (t17272)
BB (t31150)
UTG (t32955)
UTG+1 (t16272)
MP1 (t5921)
Hero (t13273)
MP3 (t21923)
CO (t18928)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1500</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t1500, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t1200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

CO called PF and on the flops before with some marginal hands, but also showed weakness several times and folded to aggression. He's kind of weak-passive, but not overly loose, and capable of aggression when people check to him. Doesn't look like a very good player, but not a very bad one. My image is tight at this point. Any thoughts about my play on all streets here?

Flop: (t4600) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1800</font>, CO calls t1800, SB folds.

Turn: (t8200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t9923 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, after thinking about it for 40 seconds.

Final Pot: t18123

Hand 3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t19871)
MP1 (t7260)
MP2 (t14104)
CO (t24869)
Button (t20792)
Hero (t36796)
BB (t24608)
UTG (t30650)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t4800</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t4200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

This was a tough hand. Villain was rather new to the table, but made the impression of a very tight, very aggressive and decent player. I'm not sure I like how I played it, but I had my reasons. Any thoughts are most welcome.

Flop: (t9525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t14996 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t14996.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:07 PM
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Hand 1: If the guy is doing this a lot then I think top pair is enough to play here, I'd push hoping he's bad enough to call my "bluff" with A4 or J9.

Hand 2: If he's gonna folds 77 or 88 type hands here I like the play. I think its a solid gamble that he will given your read.

Hand 3: Tough spot. If he was looser I'd like the flop call. Against a tight player, I think your gambling too much on him playing AK here. I think that while the push probably means no QQ or 1010, AA and KK are possibilities as well as the more obvious AQ. I think what pushed it to a fold for me is that when you are right he still has 8 outs, and when your wrong your absolutely buried.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: 3 hands from a rebuy sat to WSOP

Hi PrayingMantis,

I like a "gamble" with hand 1, I'd c/r him all in. Its likely that you have the best hand. It's unlikely that MP is slow playing something big. The button being so bad might even call you with a worse hand such as AJ. If you're wrong and he does have a big one, or he out draws you, you're still in fine shape.

Hand 2 is very player dependent, but I think it's fine.

Hand 3 is tough, and I think I find a fold without much of a read if this were a normal multi. Since it's a satellite I'm more inclined to call. I'm not sure. You still have a nice stack if you fold.

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Old 04-08-2005, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: 3 hands from a rebuy sat to WSOP

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and when your wrong your absolutely buried.

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You must have missed his backdoor flush and straight draws. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: 3 hands from a rebuy sat to WSOP

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] my mistake. Also, start posting here more, you rock.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: 3 hands from a rebuy sat to WSOP

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Against a tight player, I think your gambling too much on him playing AK here.

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Do you mean that against a tight player raising from UTG+1 you would fold JJ on the SB here? Or do you mean raising him to see where you stand? Notice that his raise is 4xBB, which I think increases the chances of AK-AQ, as opposed to big pairs, specifically AA-KK. Even without knowing much about him, I'd guess that he will tend to raise a bit less with the big pairs. And so, if I reraise him, with the stack sizes, I don't see how I am in a better shape than calling and seeing a flop. Yes, it is a tough spot.

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I think what pushed it to a fold for me is that when you are right he still has 8 outs, and when your wrong your absolutely buried.

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That's a good point. I was thinking that the most probable hands for his push here are AK and AQ, and at a smaller probability AA and KK. Since there's Q on the flop, AK is more probable than AQ. I think that's exactly how he would play AK here. Of course, he had AQ and I lost a bit pot here. It was a gamble, but in a winner-takes-all format I think that taking very small edges is a reasnoable thing to do. I think my call and play here were +CEV, but surely not significanly so.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:26 PM
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Since it's a satellite I'm more inclined to call.

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My thought exactly.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:28 PM
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Against a tight player, I think your gambling too much on him playing AK here

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I meant post flop you were gambling that he had AK too much, because other hands that you beat like AJ/A10/99 are probably not in his raise and then push flop range. Obviously we though about this hand exactly the same, and its a very very close decision.
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:29 PM
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then why not push preflop?
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Old 04-08-2005, 07:36 PM
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then why not push preflop?

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I didn't see him folding anything or calling with hands I beat. which means I'm in the classic "small fav, big dog" situation if I push PF. I was thinking obviously that I could get away from the hand if A/K flop. a flop with a single Q is the most problematic, IMO.

There is a question of course, if I'm going to pay his overpairs anyway when the flop comes rags, why not push to begin with. I think I have more edge by taking this hand to the flop, especially by reading his bets and the board, and deciding where I'm standing. At the bottom line it is basically about being able to fold at some spots and situations - assuming he wouldn't be able to do so with his stack, particularly with AK.
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