400nl AK turn decision vs. deep opponent

agreed. i say we get the information on the turn.

there are some donks and even decent players who will do this w/ AQ.

[Finwe]

If he really is afraid of playing a big pot, he could have something like AA as well. Given the range you gave though, I would raise the turn, and make it a real raise, to $440. Check the river. Fold to reraise or river lead.

Fin

right. if the poster provided all the information available at the time theres a probably 80% chance that you hand is good here unless hes decided to really mess with you and get sneaky.

[Leptyne]

Looks to me like a cagey move designed for you to take him off a flush draw. If he c/c and hits the flush on the river you might not call or could check behind. I don't want to play a big pot with TPTK either. Passive players are tough to read.

But you're tough to read too. And you have position. UTG doesn't want to lose his stack either. I think a smooth call will show weakness and lead to a larger river bet even if the flush doesn't show, except that you don't say anywhere in your analysis of him that you've seen him make a move. If you've been calling his raises liberally in the past I think I'd do the same here and see what the river brings. Since you've got position you'll have better opportunities to get a piece of this guy.

Until I see him make a move I'm going to assume he's got the goods when he brings it on the river.

[sdplayerb]

I just flat call here. He doesn't sound the type to make a real bluff at it twice.
You said you don't want to fold, and also don't want to get too much in there, which makes sense with the stack sizes.
thus I just call.

I apologize for writing call, I meant raise his ass, put him to a decision. If he limped in with a pair and flopped a set, you reraise here, and fold to a reraise/push by him. If he calls, you can probably call a bet on the river if he doesn't move in. He'd have to be real stupid to lose his stack with KJ or JQ in this situation.

[thatpfunk]

Ghaz,
If you raise you are putting in $250-350 with the possibility of folding.
If you call you are putting in $100 on the turn + a possible river bet of ~$340 (probably closer to $300, maybe lower). $350-450 total

If you raise and are ahead there he folds a weak draw (maybe), a crap pair, and a complete bluff. You make $100 in those instances. The times hero is ahead and villian calls the turn you make $250-350. However, you will often not get to showdown and whe you are behind you stand to lose $250-$350.

If you call the turn the Villian is now given the oppurtunity to bet with complete air, a busted draw, and a worse pair (that he may believe is ahead). These times you now make $300-$450. If villian checks the river you make $100. If you are behind you stand to lose the $300-450. You also have the option (if so inclined) of bluffing a scarecard if you think you can push villian off of some random 2-pair. Plus, you now often have the benefit of seeing Villian's cards and getting a better handle on how he is playing.

I dunno, sometimes I play passively, is this comepeltely unreasonable? (if villian is prone to overbets at all then this post should be completely disregarded)

[dvo352]

The Stop and Go move usually means that he has a draw. A blank hit and he figured that a bet here would confuse you and take you off your hand or let him have a cheap river. He figures you wouldn't raise here unless you had a monster. I've seen people try to pull this. So knowing that, I think you raise him here and really figure out where you are in this hand. For the most part, I think its really a raise for value here. And a raise here might even move him off KQ thinking maybe you have KK or QQ, but thats a real big maybe. I say raise that turn. Then on the river, if a blank hits you fire one more value bet and check behind if that heart hits.

[thatpfunk]

if he is on a draw that missed then he is not calling a riverbet. if he called the turn with a made hand it will most likely be beating you (unless he is donkish). if he called with a made hand that is behind he would really have to talk himself into calling on the river.

betting the river in this situation doesn't accomplish much except get Hero killed.

[Riverman]

My standard play here is to make it about 350 and not put another penny in after that. I dont know if this is good or not, just what I do.