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Old 12-19-2005, 03:44 AM
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and something like 1/3-1/2 pot bluff on the river to get other draws to fold.

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woah. If you're betting the river, it's because you think you can get made hands to fold, not draws. Be careful bluffing AK on the river. if you think they're on draws, check-call. induce a bluff from them. Don't just make them fold hands that are worse than your ace high.

You can get carreid away with betting, because you'll see that your river bets w/ ace high are winning the pot often, well thats because villain probably can't beat ace high, so you made a bad bet.

This is more important in limit i think thuogh, but my point stands.
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Old 12-19-2005, 03:51 AM
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This is more important in limit i think thuogh, but my point stands.

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I think it's very important in limit and almost completely inapplicable with A high in NL games outside of heads up. If I'm semi-bluffing a big draw on the flop & turn, a river "value bet" bluff is an excellent way to get draws who still have you beat to fold (for example pair + draw or turn/river small pair w/ draw from the flop), or at the very least eliminate a difficult river call with Ace high. If I have made hand here I'll check this river often to induce a bluff that I will most definitely call. Ace high is not exactly showdown material the vast majority of the time in any NL game outside of heads up imo. Big difference from limit.
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Old 12-19-2005, 03:55 AM
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Default Re: .5/1 AK mega draw

Busted draws will usually check behind at these stakes against players who fired twice.
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Old 12-19-2005, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: .5/1 AK mega draw

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Bet again on the turn. Very very basic example of where it's better to bet yourself if you were planning to call a bet anyway. You have collected a complete brick on the turn which means you will rarely get raised.

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Good point. I wasn't sure how much I need to bet to make this guy fold a pair though, so I thought he would end up betting less than my 2nd barrel. Nevertheless, betting is still better as long as we some fold equity, correct?
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:00 AM
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Default Re: .5/1 AK mega draw

I'm usually not betting there trying to make hands fold; I'd bet there to give myself a nice price to draw at a lot of outs and disguise my hand in the process. The fact that he will fold sometimes is just a bonus.
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Old 12-19-2005, 04:05 AM
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Busted draws will usually check behind at these stakes against players who fired twice.

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I agree, but busted draws who happen to pair will likely fold to a bet (and those who don't pair will fold as well). This is read dependent though, river betting into a call station here is a bad idea, as he'll likely call with a small pair, but a decent player will often fold a hand that would beat an unimproved AK.
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Old 12-19-2005, 06:17 AM
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The non-clubs on the board are 5, 3, and 2. The A, K, and Q of clubs are all accounted for. Unless he is playing any two suited, he is going to have a pair with a flush draw just about never. Stealing a $26 pot successfully 5% of the time and giving away another $15 95% of the time is ridiculously -EV.
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Old 12-19-2005, 10:22 AM
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Raise preflop?

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Any particular reason why you didn't? Just curious.
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