Hand reading from the live 2+2 table

[btspider]

you probably have KK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] while he had QQ/JJ with a diamond. I don't think he should bet the flop without a pair or flush draw which leaves a pair for his holding. If he had to think before folding on the river, he had to have a diamond.

[MrWookie47]

OK, the results. For the most part, you guys did pretty good. I had a red JJ, and Iggie had QQ with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. BB mucked what he said was a lower diamond, and MHIG. That night, I gave Iggie a pretty hard time for not 3betting that flop, but it seems like a number of people here think that his play was correct with QQ. Do you disagree with me?

[SCfuji]

hey wookie

you have JJ with the J diamonds and ingkot has QQ with the Q of diamonds or the other way around but its probably the first one.

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That night, I gave Iggie a pretty hard time for not 3betting that flop, but it seems like a number of people here think that his play was correct with QQ.

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Like I say, it makes me feel not quite so feeble.

The more I've thought about it, the more I agree with you, though. If I 3-bet that flop the hand plays differently.

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That night, I gave Iggie a pretty hard time for not 3betting that flop, but it seems like a number of people here think that his play was correct with QQ. Do you disagree with me?

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Seems that not 3-betting the flop made the whole thing quite difficult for Iggy, as he wound up playing defensively with the best hand, and folding it on the river. He seemed very quick to conclude that you had AA or KK. Perhaps he figured you for A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and was waiting for a safe turn card to press his advantage, but then why would you c/r with that hand?

So no, I don't disagree with you.

[btspider]

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OK, the results. For the most part, you guys did pretty good. I had a red JJ, and Iggie had QQ with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. BB mucked what he said was a lower diamond, and MHIG. That night, I gave Iggie a pretty hard time for not 3betting that flop, but it seems like a number of people here think that his play was correct with QQ. Do you disagree with me?

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I assumed he wanted to raise the field on the turn when a blank drops. Then, given that he picked up a flush draw, he can't fold to a turn 3-bet, so elected to call instead.

Thing was, on the river I would've called Wookie - although I erroneously put him on KK-AA, in my mind there was a good chance he didn't have a diamond.

It was the SB's raise that got to me - there had to be SOME reason he hung in all that way, and I (again erroneously) presumed it was a weak A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. (It turned out to be low unconnected crap, but with a diamond, making his raise a complete mystery. But he was a veteran.)

If I 3-bet those queens, Wookie goes passive or folds, on the river I only have an SB donkbet to contend with, and I call expecting to lose but with odds on my side. OTOH, if Wookie does have KK or AA, he caps me, and I feel much better about that river fold.

In position, it should have been a 3bet.

Your preflop 3bet defines your hand to normal 2+2 3betting stantards.

Your flop action defines it further.

You wanted to protect your hand with a c/r. Therefore it was vulnerable in some fashion.

AKs diamonds bets out.
AA bets out.
99 definitely bets out.

That leaves KK, QQ, JJ, TT.

Iggy's hand is a favourite. 3bet.

Q: If Iggy puts you on these hands, is it better just to call the flop raise and raise a safe turn card?