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Old 10-28-2005, 03:06 PM
Perseus Perseus is offline
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Default The old call then raise then fold

Very loose table preflop. UTG is a TAG, but I don't have a strong read yet on any of the others.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero folds...
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:16 PM
crazygoose crazygoose is offline
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Default Re: The old call then raise then fold

If UTG is a TAG what is he limping UTG, leading the flop with and then leading the A on the turn with. I think he might be going for a river check raise. On the river, I think the odds being offered are just too good for this single river bet to be a clear enough indication that we are beat more than 1 in 15.5 times. Just call...fold if UTG does in fact cr.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:33 PM
SeaEagle SeaEagle is offline
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Default Re: The old call then raise then fold

Meh. I'd make the call, but you have to be winning once in 15 or so times to make money and you're certainly not winning much more than 1 in 15, if that.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:41 PM
Cumulonimbus Cumulonimbus is offline
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Default Re: The old call then raise then fold

Nah, too weak. Call. You'll be surprised how many times people will bluff their middle pair here.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:41 PM
@bsolute_luck @bsolute_luck is offline
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Default Re: The old call then raise then fold

i have no problem with the fold and wouldn't lose sleep at night. if i had 2 pair or trips i would make the call, but i really don't think top pair is good here.
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Old 10-28-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: The old call then raise then fold

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Nah, too weak. Call. You'll be surprised how many times people will bluff their middle pair here.

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Bluff into three possible callers (including the turn raiser...)? Maybe it's a bluff, but I would be surprised. MP3 posted, so he could have a wide range of hands. The river completes a flush and a straight. Also, if MP3 posted, you probably don't have a clear read on him (unless you've played with him before)...

I think it's a bit of a toss-up, especially since you're getting about 15:1 to call. Personally, I would probably make this call (at the very least you'll get to see your opponent's cards, which buys you information...)
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