Has anybody figured out the house edge in party bj?

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Answers: it is either .61% or .73% depending on if you can double after split, which I haven't seen clearly stated in the rules. This assumes you are playing perfect basic strategy, which you aren't.

And even if you could spread 1:1000, you can't beat this game with such extremely bad penetration. You would be better off putting your bankroll in a savings account earning 1% interest.

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There's a thread in Other Gambling about the same. I attempted to run some sims, but don't really know what I'm doing. This was my results:

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I'm no blackjack expect so take this with a pinch of salt. I put your settings through BlackJack Audit. However, it would only let me do a 1-99 bet spread. This was using a Uston Advanced P/M counting system. It resulted in 0.5 % house edge. However, I got a lower house edge (0.3%) using a standard spread, so I could have made a mistake. Without counting, the house edge came out at around 0.6%.

With 10% penetration, we get a count of 2 exactly 0.022% of the time!!!


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2. Do you even get to know when they actually shuffle? Obviously this would be necessary too.

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I guess you could keep getting up after you saw 41 cards, and then sit down again.... At least you would lose your money slower [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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i'm wondering what the edge is with the rules they employ

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As long as there is a house edge, I don't care much whether it's 0.3% or 0.5%. I'm not playing a single hand unless there's a bonus that will make it +EV. I tried, without much success, to beat casino blackjack a few years ago (mostly my fault: I played crappy games, overtipped, and had no bankroll management). I'm damned if I'll donate to Party in an unbeatable game. The flop color side bet isn't getting a dime of my money, either.

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I believe party states that they go 1/10th into an 8 deck before reshuffling. Dont currently have my PBA program downloaded, but im guessing with the 1-200 spread they allow and a level 1 count, you could eek out some. But, then again, using kelly criterion, it would probably take a rather large BR. Anybody got PBA and can run the stats for me????

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It might be theoretically beatable, but the risk of ruin would be unacceptable with any reasonable bankroll. You would be making $1 -EV bets for hours, then make one or 2 $200 bets with a very small edge. Besides, I'm pretty sure that they give no indication of when they shuffle the deck, which means it might as well be shuffled after every hand because you have no way of knowing when to start your count.