Two river decisions that have me thinking...

[Schwartzy61]

So the river brings me top two pair. Unfortunately it fills a straight draw and a backdoor flush draw. Does anyone raise this river? I figured going for the overcall would bring just as much if I'm ahead as a raise would? It seemed like a standard play but looking at it after the fact I'm not sure what the best move might have been...

PartyPoker - $0.50/$1 Texas - 9 players (Converter: PGC)

Button is 45/9/2.0 (11)
SB is 100/0/1.3 (16)
BB is 44/0/0.8 (16)

Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

PreFlop
<font color="red">Hero RAISES</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="green">Button Calls</font>
<font color="green">SB Calls</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>

(4 players) FLOP: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 4.00 BB )
<font color="green">SB checks</font>, <font color="green">BB checks</font>, <font color="red">Hero BETS</font>, <font color="green">Button Calls</font>
<font color="green">SB Calls</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>

(4 players) TURN: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 6.00 BB )
<font color="green">SB checks</font>, <font color="green">BB checks</font>, <font color="red">Hero BETS</font>, <font color="green">Button Calls</font>
<font color="green">SB Calls</font>, <font color="blue">BB folds</font>

(3 players) RIVER: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 9.00 BB )
<font color="red">SB BETS</font>, <font color="green">Hero Calls</font>, <font color="green">Button Calls</font>

Final Pot:12.00 BB

And here this guy is in his second hand at the table and just calls down to the river. From his first three actions at the table, buying in for $10, posting UTG and then calling two bets out of the BB, I assumed he was rather fishy but I still couldn't decided whether to throw in a value bet or not.

PartyPoker - $0.50/$1 Texas - 9 players (Converter: PGC)

SB is 16/0/- (19)
BB is 0/0/1.0 (1)
UTG is 50/0/0.3 (6)

Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

PreFlop
<font color="green">UTG Calls</font>, <font color="green">UTG+1 Calls</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero RAISES</font>, <font color="blue">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="red">SB RAISES</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>, <font color="red">UTG RAISES</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="green">Hero Calls</font>
<font color="green">SB Calls</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>

(4 players) FLOP: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 8.50 BB )
<font color="red">SB BETS</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>, <font color="green">UTG Calls</font>, <font color="red">Hero RAISES</font>
<font color="blue">SB folds</font>, <font color="green">BB Calls</font>, <font color="blue">UTG folds</font>

(2 players) TURN: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 11.50 BB )
<font color="green">BB checks</font>, <font color="red">Hero BETS</font>
<font color="green">BB Calls</font>

(2 players) RIVER: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( Pot Size: 13.50 BB )
<font color="green">BB checks</font>, <font color="green">Hero checks</font>

Final Pot:13.50 BB

[LoaferGee12]

1st hand is fine.
2nd hand is easy value bet on the river. No reason to be afraid of that flush.

[2+2 wannabe]

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1st hand is fine.
2nd hand is easy value bet on the river. No reason to be afraid of that flush.

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my sentiments exactly

do you call a check-raise?

[deception5]

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do you call a check-raise?

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Yup, 1 hand from a "fishy player" isn't enough to determine that he will not bluff c/r the river (or c/r with top pair) with 90+% certainity.

[2+2 wannabe]

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do you call a check-raise?

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Yup, 1 hand from a "fishy player" isn't enough to determine that he will not bluff c/r the river (or c/r with top pair) with 90+% certainity.

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good

I like the way 5noitpeced thinks

[@bsolute_luck]

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5noitpeced

[/ QUOTE ] whew i'm slow. took me a while to figure out who this was [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[car ramrod]

bet the river in hand 2