If all hole cards were dealt face up for all players to see?

[RRRRICK]

If this was the case would skilled players still be able to relieve novice players of there money.

I believe the answer is yes, especially in NL.
A skilled player would be able to offer the novice incorrect pot odds to draw out on them and the novice with no knowledge of pot odds could regularly take beats at bad prices. Theoretically this could actually be easier all be it very boring

[snowgurts]

The fish would believe themselves to be on equal footing with the pros and experts, so they would be willing to play just about every pot. For example, they might always see a flop because they'll know when they or their opponents hit big, and can fold cheaply, while never realizing all of those calls preflop are very, very expensive, longterm. Also, certain players who play heads-down, aggressive poker, even if they are winners, will find themselves in a hole very fast. Of course, if they know what their opponents have, then perhaps they wouldn't be so aggressive. It's overused, this particular "What if?" question, but still renders some excellent room for mathematical solving and critical thinking, if the person observing is open minded enough.

The advantage to pros is even greater if hole cards are shown face up before an opponent folds them, allowing them to memorize a significant portion of the deck.

Observent players will also know which outs are missing, and therefore have a much clearer picture of their pot odds.

[bobdibble]

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The advantage to pros is even greater if hole cards are shown face up before an opponent folds them, allowing them to memorize a significant portion of the deck.

Observent players will also know which outs are missing, and therefore have a much clearer picture of their pot odds.

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Hey.. that could be a pretty good/interesting game.. you need to add an element of the unknown to actually make it playable though.. so how about we modify the game to have some down cards and some up cards... It would be dumb to just use 1 down card out of 2, so we need to give people more cards...hrmm.. rather than 2 private and 5 community cards, lets give 7 cards to each player.. w/a few face down at the beginning and one at the end.. with the rest face up... ya.. that would make the game more playable, but still give a huge advantage to the expert...

This sounds like it could be a fun game.. anyone want to try it out?

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The advantage to pros is even greater if hole cards are shown face up before an opponent folds them, allowing them to memorize a significant portion of the deck.

Observent players will also know which outs are missing, and therefore have a much clearer picture of their pot odds.

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Hey.. that could be a pretty good/interesting game.. you need to add an element of the unknown to actually make it playable though.. so how about we modify the game to have some down cards and some up cards... It would be dumb to just use 1 down card out of 2, so we need to give people more cards...hrmm.. rather than 2 private and 5 community cards, lets give 7 cards to each player.. w/a few face down at the beginning and one at the end.. with the rest face up... ya.. that would make the game more playable, but still give a huge advantage to the expert...

This sounds like it could be a fun game.. anyone want to try it out?

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we could call it 7 card tranny

[alphatmw]

why would everyone not just push all in PF when they have the best hand?

[jetsonsdogcanfly]

yeah i'm pretty sure that's an unbeatable strategy, longrun.

However, it's generally easy to see which two card hand is best, but not so in coin flip and tie situations. In which case the first player to act has the advantage of being able to bet. a call by the other player in those cases hovers around EV=0.