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11-25-2005, 05:55 AM
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QQ fold-able ??
First hand on this table and have come in on the BB....Have a few hands on SB & MP2.....as they are both multi-tabling on 1/2 tables that I am also playing....
They look like 25/8 type players....? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx SB ($186) Hero ($125) UTG ($30.40) UTG+1 ($27.25) MP1 ($239.60) MP2 ($73) CO ($52.60) Button ($33.85) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $2, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP2 calls $14, CO folds, SB calls $8. Flop: ($50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $36</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $18</font>, Hero ?? Is this a standard fold...? 
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#4
11-25-2005, 06:41 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
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[ QUOTE ] Why minreraise preflop? [/ QUOTE ] What do u suggest I raise to...? Anything more is 20% of my stack...leaving me no room for flopplay... [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see your stack... but with a minraise you're giving the first raiser awesome odds to catch something, same with the other guy... And uh, 18$ into 50$ on the flop? You're just asking to be raised here
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#5
11-25-2005, 06:45 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
18$ into 50$ on the flop? You're just asking to be raised here
I agree, you probably want to bet more, or check-raise him. One of my big problems is underbetting pots as well, but I think you need to bet a minimum of $25 on this flop if you aren't going to attempt to check-raise.
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#6
11-25-2005, 06:48 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
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18$ into 50$ on the flop? You're just asking to be raised here I agree, you probably want to bet more, or check-raise him. One of my big problems is underbetting pots as well, but I think you need to bet a minimum of $25 on this flop if you aren't going to attempt to check-raise. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I see that....There's a problem with my game that has me betting incorrect amounts and leaving myself difficult in situations.... I understand my flop bet is incorrect along with my PF raise...Problem is now...I have been raised and that has been raised.....Standard fold yet?
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#7
11-25-2005, 06:46 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
Mmm... I would make it about $40 preflop and prepared to get all in on any non A or K flop.
As played, this is a fold, he's not check minraising two players with anything you beat. Thank him for being a donkey and fold.
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#8
11-25-2005, 06:53 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
Mmm... I would make it about $40 preflop and prepared to get all in on any non A or K flop. Wouldn't raising to $40 pre-flop mean you're either going to pick up $8, or get raised all-in if someone has AA or KK. Are you planning on calling if you get raised all-in??? As played, this is a fold, he's not check minraising two players with anything you beat. Thank him for being a donkey and fold. I agree.
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#9
11-25-2005, 06:57 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
The problem here IMO is putting them on hands... SB's line makes no sense, I can't put him on anything but 77-JJ(and QQ-AA I guess) since you say he has standard tag preflop stats, so I'm more worried about MP2, who still only has shown you that he minraises your severly undersized flop bet.
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#10
11-25-2005, 07:01 AM
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Re: QQ fold-able ??
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The problem here IMO is putting them on hands... SB's line makes no sense, I can't put him on anything but 77-JJ(and QQ-AA I guess) since you say he has standard tag preflop stats, so I'm more worried about MP2, who still only has shown you that he minraises your severly undersized flop bet. [/ QUOTE ] Well MP2 worried me as he limped-called PF and has re-raised the flop under-bet... SB has shown strength being the initial PF raiser and has now re-raised MP2..... I am behind 77, 55, 33 , KK, AA, 64...... If i do anything I have to push ???
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