Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Medium-Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-11-2005, 06:36 PM
Mackerel Mackerel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 38
Default QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

Can't get Bison's converter to work, so I'm editing. Comments and criticism on all streets welcome.

Villian is 57/8/1 with a penchant for calling with anything.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

UTG ($178.85)
Hero ($210.40)
MP ($137.90)
Button ($355.40) - Villian
SB ($204.60)
BB ($262.80)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with ,Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] .

SB posts $1
BB posts $2
UTG folds
Hero raises to $7
MP folds
Villian calls $7
SB folds
BB folds


Flop: (Pot $17) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets $10
Villian calls $10


Turn: (Port $37) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets $20
Villian call $20

River: (Pot $77) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets $30
Villian bets $318.40 all-in
Hero.....
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:03 PM
xorbie xorbie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,828
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

Bet way more on the turn and fold the river.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:15 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station


Preflop, your raise seems light, but UTG plus 1 is "perhaps" no place to make a huge bet, as often no one calls. I'm uncertain whether this is desirable or not. If the bet is too small, you let in junk hands cheap and they might hit their flop and clean you out. On the other hand , what good is a $16 raise when no one calls. And, if they do call $16, have they got AA, or KK to do so? I'd appreciate your thoughts back on this !!

You missed your opportunity on the turn. With the straight made and 2 clubs on board I would have bet the pot right there, maybe even all in, if my stack wasn't too big. (Sometimes draws call all in even with poor odds so I don't like all in bets. They can and do get lucky 20% of the time.)
A straight is not the nuts. It is almost always a vulnerable hand. Any pair on the river makes a boat possible. This may seem too conservative for many, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
You also avoid having to decide whether to call all in bets on the river , such as you have here.
I'd fold. I'll still be at the table with chips that way for sure.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:22 PM
soah soah is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 112
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

Wow. I think that's the most weak-tight post I've ever read.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:24 PM
ahnuld ahnuld is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 185
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

Bet more on turn, check call river. Fold as it is
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:26 PM
Gugel Gugel is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 7
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

He is a calling station...punish him on the turn...
I'd bet $35 on the turn.
If he calls and a 3rd club comes up, I'm checking and calling a pot sized bet.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-11-2005, 07:35 PM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

[ QUOTE ]
Bet more on turn, check call river. Fold as it is

[/ QUOTE ]

check-calling this river makes ZERO sense

bet-fold or check-fold are your options
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-11-2005, 10:31 PM
Mackerel Mackerel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 38
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

lol...I've been running a little bad recently....you may be right
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-11-2005, 10:34 PM
Mackerel Mackerel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 38
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

I agree with those of you who said bet more on the turn. My thinking at the time was that he would call the $20 bet with any pair, but I might run out a hand that was drawing dead with a bigger bet. As it played out, I folded to the river push, but I just wanted to check and make sure everybody didn't think that was too weak.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-11-2005, 10:37 PM
Mackerel Mackerel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 38
Default Re: QQ agaisnt idiot calling station

I always bet the same pre-flop, 3.5 BB + 1 BB per limper, no matter what I have (unless there are idiots calling huge raises with crap, but I hadn't seen that here).
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.