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JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
With 3 limpers in front of me (2 of them very loose players), I didn't really want to put myself to a very difficult post-flop situation. I ended up having a hard time playing this hand anyway, as three unders flopped, and I turned an openended straight draw (still having an overpair).
I remembered Sklansky's advice from TPFAP: Always take a freecard (as opposed to betting when checked to) if a reraise will make you want to throw up. Also: this is in a $100 tournament with 65 left (of 74 to start) -- top 10 get paid. Thoughts?? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter MP1 (t1175) MP2 (t1715) MP3 (t1860) Hero (t755) Button (t425) SB (t825) BB (t655) UTG (t1125) UTG+1 (t1770) Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (t180) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t135</font>, SB calls t135, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds. Turn: (t450) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. River: (t450) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero folds. (The convertor is not showing the SB's 525 "All-in" push). Final Pot: t450 |
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Re: JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
I move in on this turn 100% of the time.
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Re: JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
Ugly. You HAVE to raise PF here, don't be weak/tight. You must make a big turn bet as well.
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Re: JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
Hmmm. Thanks. Obviously, big turn bet makes me potstuck, right? Should I just push the turn?
How much should the raise PF be? I guess I'm seeing monsters in my closet. The flop call screamed set to me at the time, but I guess it could have just as easily been a10, k10 or a straight draw. No one is calling the river after I botch the turn, are they? |
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Re: JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
I have a tough time on jacks as well...but you said you are playing 2 guys yyou know to be loose. In that situation with that knowlege I think a 2-4x BB raise should have been made and if he checks the flop, check with him. The turn falling the way it did, I would have raised in the pot in an effort to dispel the idea that I was bluffing pre-flop with such a big raise. If he folds here you dont let him see the last card and hell likely think you have filled out your hand.
I dont think anyone can fault you for being cautious this early in the tourney though, so you lost a few bucks big deal... Its not like winning or losing this pot would have been huge for you anyhow. |
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Re: JJ -- too passive, or correctly cautious??
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I think a 2-4x BB raise should have been made [/ QUOTE ] A mini raise of 2X the BB is silly, IMHO, because you're pretty much giving everyone else odds to call and see a flop ... and you don't want a million people seeing the flop with JJ. I like the idea that you will raise 3X the BB PLUS an extra BB for every limper ... so I def. think you should've raised to the 150-210 range here. And when your villain checks that turn, I'm going to agree with a previous poster in this thread that I'm going to move in right then and there every time. If he was slow-slow-slow playing his set, then you pay him off I guess. But i'm not sure that a set is going to check BOTH the flop and turn, especially with the board turning into a drawing machine. Hey, you were cautious, didn't lose too much money, and you lived to fight another day. In a tournament, that's great. But I also think you missed a good chance to improve your stack early on (another very helpful thing to do in a tournament), and I think a pf raise AND a heavy turn bet puts all those chips into your stack. |
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