Was this collusion and what should I have done about it?

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Questions: Was this collusion? Should I have done something other than just get out of the game? Did I overreact?

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Absolutely collusion. That is some F'ed up BS. How oblivious does a dealer have to be not to pick up on this? You definitely should have called the floor over, even if you intended to leave the game....which I would have done. At least they could have soft-played that hand to make it less obvious instead of just having the dad fold after you folded. I've played at Bellagio and I'm surprised the dealer didn't do a thing.

ScottieK

[rusty090]

I pretty much agree with everyone who has come before. This smells super fishy (not the good fishy either) and I would have called the floor over. Although, as long as you weren't too negatively effected by standing up and leaving the table, that was a good call on your part.

[QuadsOverQuads]

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Questions: Was this collusion?

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Short answer: absolutely.


q/q

It is precisely this sort of situation that card rooms allow you to ask to see a player's cards. If the fact that he folded gets around said rule, you definitely should have asked for a floorman.

It was 100% collusion, and we, as players, have as much at stake in protecting the integrity of the game as anyone.

[bernie]

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I was in the same situation but at little worst this weekend at the MGM playing a 2/4-limit table. There were about four to five people sitting at the table and they were all related. There were constantly speaking Arabic to each other. The dealer was constantly warning them about the English only rule. One of the ladies (non-English speaking) was constantly warn not to show her cards to a man (brother or husband) sitting behind her who was not even in the game, just sitting behind watching, which I though was kind of weird that they would allow that in itself. Then she stops playing and he took over her spot. Then two of the men started to comment on how bad everyone was playing. And soon as the hand was dead and the dealer started shuffling they would make comments in Arabic and you could tell by there eye movement and hand gestures they were making disparaging remarks towards players at the table. One of the gentlemen made an open comment in English towards me as to how I played my hand, which I won at the show down, I was a little miff at the comment and snapped back telling him to play his hand and not worry about mine. There was a little heated exchange between him and I, the Room Manager came over and give us both a warning. Played three hands more and won $60 from the clan and left. This was my first time playing in Vegas; all in all it was a great experience except for the hour or so with the family poker game. I haven’t played much in Casino but what action can you take as player in this type of situations. I felt as if the Arabic conversations were asking for advice, the men seemed to be decent players and the woman were fairly novice. What can a player request from the house under these situations.

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Yes, someone can sit behind you and 'sweat' you during a hand if you allow them to and want to show them. They just can't help you play the hand. Wives and g/fs are always sitting behind players. Some aren't too bad to look at either.

And yes, people talk about hands while the cards are being shuffled all the time. Along with berating opponents. As long as they're not doing it during the hand, I wouldn't care about it.

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One of the gentlemen made an open comment in English towards me as to how I played my hand, which I won at the show down, I was a little miff at the comment and snapped back telling him to play his hand and not worry about mine. There was a little heated exchange between him and I,

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Grow a skin. There's no reason to snap back at the idiot.

b

[afish]

It could just be softplaying. Dad knows that son wouldn't three-bet w/o the nuts and mucks. Just ask to see the mucked hand; unless it was total crap, there isn't necessarily anything improper going on.

[SossMan]

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One of the gentlemen made an open comment in English towards me as to how I played my hand, which I won at the show down,

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I always find that a "hang on a sec, I'm stacking your chips" works well in these situations.

[etgryphon]

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It could just be softplaying. Dad knows that son wouldn't three-bet w/o the nuts and mucks. Just ask to see the mucked hand; unless it was total crap, there isn't necessarily anything improper going on.

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Softplaying is collusion in a subtle form. Its collusion.

-Gryph

[Al_Capone_Junior]

If there isn't a better example of blatant collusion, I'm not sure why not. I would have immediately, and QUIETLY gone directly to the floor and explained what happened. If the floor refused to do anything about it (like separate the two permanantly) then I would have left the room, and probably made sure I explained why to the floor in front of the whole table, right in front of the colluders.

al

[Masquerade]

If they were good colluders you wouldnt know they were father and son and they wouldnt be sitting next to eachother. Just take the donks down next time.