Are you looking for 5/10 Limit Holdem in Vegas?

There are some of us who like $5 & $10. For al the crap I hear about yhere not being action in a $5 & $10 that has not been my experience. Sometimes there is great action sometimes there isn't jsut tlike the $3-$6 game.

I have been playing in the weekly $5 & $10 w/ full kill game at the Aladdin and I find it far more enjoyable then playing $4 & $8

[cardcounter0]

I like the $5/$10 also. But you just don't get the fish gleefully calling with nothing simply for the chance to push those two big stack of eight chips each in, versus tossing in a couple of red chips.

The small pile of red chip pots don't look as large to the fish as the massive mounds of mixed chips that occur in $6/$12. But $5/$10 does have the advantage, keeping track of pot size seems to be easier.

[radek2166]

How bout 2 dollar chips?

[cardcounter0]

I have seen changing the chip demonination really liven up dead game before. Adding a kill pot changes things also.

The problem is, in casino you are pretty much tied to the standard $1-$5-$25-$100 chip structure. You don't see $2 and $3 chips much except in rooms devoted exclusively to poker. Sure casinos have some .50 and $2.50 chips around for 3:2 BJ payoffs. They probably wouldn't want to special order "odd" amount chip in the quantities needed to keep games running. They complain enough about having to have a special set of chips for the roulette tables.

[Randy_Refeld]

In today's market a 5-10 should do just fine. The game will have less action than a 6-12 in the same spot would have had, but it can still have plenty of action. In the past in markets where 5-10 has thrived there have always been a large enough supply of inexperienced players to go around. As a market matures and the iniexperienced palyers have either become experienced or quit poker the 5-10 is the first game to dry up because of the chip structure. With the growth in poker a 5-10 in Veas should thrive; I still wouldn't spread it because a 6-12 would do better and I liek to spread games that makes it easier to promote players to higher limits.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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TT speaks of the 5/10 being tight with no action. Have you seen the state of the 1/2 NL games in this town lately? Any given day of the week you may and probably will have $15 average pots with half the players all waiting for aces and kings before they'll play. 2/5 NL is drying up slowly but surely. Most of the rooms that ran 3 or 4 at a time can barely get 1 or 2 off the ground now.

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SoCal is still growing but the somewhat larger fixed buy games ($200 to $500 range) are getting tighter and I expect this trend to continue. In a year or two I expect to revert to 20/40 (and hopefully 40/80) limit holdem as my main games. Ridiculously loose NL play will get increasingly punished as you won't often see five loose players pushing chips back and forth as we have in the past.

Blood in the water always attracts sharks, and the low limit low limit players are starting to bleed too fast.

But the real little games still look pretty loose. Hawaiian Gardens had thirteen $20 fixed buy (1-1 blinds) and seven $40 fixed buy (1-2 blinds) in the bar area and it's mostly kids under 25. And this is with about three to five buy-ins per hour coming off the table in drops! The floorperson said the kids actually do what they are told when she has to make a decision. I guess the new generation listens to adults [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick

[Al_Capone_Junior]

As long as 2-4, 3-6, 4-8 and especially any of these games with a kill or half kill are spread, 6-12 will NOT go and you'll be lucky to get a 5-10.

Aladdin might successfully get 5-10 on a regular basis only if they totally don't spread 4-8 anymore, just keeping it 3-6 and 5-10, but they'll never get 5-10 and 6-12 both going here in vegas, just won't happen.

There needs to be a reasonable jump in stakes between games, if you keep them too close together, the smaller games will always choke off the supply of players to the larger games, because players tend to "round down" rather than up, particularly newer ones.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

The game never had any trouble going in atlantic city. I believe the fact that 5-10 is the first "red chip" game makes it more appealing than the "chip structure" might indicate (to those people who are west coast only or vegas only players, who haven't played on the east coast). Trop and Taj wouldn't have had SO many 5-10 games when I used to live out there if the chip structure was SO TERRIBLE. It should be noted tho that 4-8 didn't exist back then AT ALL, it was 2-4, 3-6, 5-10, 10-20, 20-40 for limit hold'em. 15-30 structures basically only existed for stud games ($2 ante, $5 bring-in).

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I always felt that keeping track of pot size was equal in all limit games since I count bets not chips.

I also saw no lack of action at 5-10 in the past. I wouldn't mind seeing it become a staple again, especially since vegas can rarely choke out anything higher than 3-6 in 95% of casinos. It should also be noted that the only casinos that regularly spread higher games than 4-8 are the ones who DON'T put too many games too close together. I'm becoming more and more convinced of this as time goes on. Keep the limits spread far enough apart to keep the smaller games from filtering out the players from the larger ones.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

That's the thing, back in "the day" the 5-10 games in AC were good. Perhaps they aren't now, but then I haven't been there in six years or so.

I also would really not care to see baby no limit take over the world. However, I've said this before, and I'll say it again...

Hold'em killed poker.

And no-limit killed hold'em.

al