10/20 QQuestionable fold

Nietzsche · #1 11-12-2005, 02:22 PM

UTG is unknown postflop, his stats are 31/22/2.5 over a conserable number of hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets, [color=#666666]3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets, BB folds, [color=#CC3333]UTG raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets, Hero folds.

Is this a really bad fold against an unknown with those stats? And if I decide to fold before showdown should I fold on the flop already?

Also, what's up with the converter? I don't see anyone else have trouble with it but me - perhaps it doesn't like the old skins?

josh1122 · #2 11-12-2005, 02:24 PM

You need to change the option on the site to 2+2 forums instead of FTR to get the colors to work right.

#3 11-12-2005, 02:48 PM

ok i'm bored enough:

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UTG is unknown postflop, his stats are 31/22/2.5 over a conserable number of hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Is this a really bad fold against an unknown with those stats? And if I decide to fold before showdown should I fold on the flop already?

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#4 11-12-2005, 02:56 PM

FWIW, I play much lower than you, but my stats are comparable to villain's (I am a little tighter) and I can tell you if villain was me you're not ahead of much. 99-77 is about it. I like calling down if the turn is not a club, though.

KDawgCometh · #5 11-12-2005, 03:03 PM

i think that this player is making these plays with much lesser hands. I want to three bet the flop, but that might slow him down on betting with what is likely to be the second best hand

StellarWind · #6 11-12-2005, 03:22 PM

So if I am Villain I can make you fold this hand everytime you don't have AA/KK/AK? All I have to do is invest one extra SB in a checkraise?

On a completely unrelated subject, what is your alias and what time of day do you like to play [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]?

Nietzsche · #7 11-12-2005, 03:58 PM

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So if I am Villain I can make you fold this hand everytime you don't have AA/KK/AK? All I have to do is invest one extra SB in a checkraise?

On a completely unrelated subject, what is your alias and what time of day do you like to play [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]?

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Heh, I see your point if I always laid down a hand like that. My problem is usually the opposite as I am a bit of a calling station with a WTSD very close to 40, which is why this play felt especially wierd. If he limped preflop and I raise this is a call down for me. But here my thinking is that most do not have the balls to pull this move without the goods since I 3-bet (he must realize he has very little fold equity). The one thing I'm most worried about is I might have chosen the wrong opponent to not call down. The club on the turn actually decided it for me, which may be too weak.

Nietzsche · #8 11-12-2005, 04:13 PM

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You need to change the option on the site to 2+2 forums instead of FTR to get the colors to work right.

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Thanks!

StellarWind · #9 11-12-2005, 04:18 PM

Against this opponent a checkraise means nothing. If he actually had the goods he might easily just call to lead you on. You really can't do this third club notwithstanding

Nietzsche · #10 11-12-2005, 04:43 PM

"Nothing" is taking it a bit far since I 3-bet preflop but maybe you are right my equity is in a good enough shape to call down.