10/20 Value bet river 2?

[Argus]

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what about giving him the chance to bluff with a worse hand? hands like J8 or JQ often call a flop and turn bet.

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I don't think a passive player does this often enough that when he bets and you call the pot gets shipped. I don't think that he has these holdings and bets them at least 20% of the time.

[zephed56]

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I'd bet. A-high will call. Sometimes K-high will call.


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So will a 9 a T a better 4 and some PPs.

Before making slim/nonexistant value bets here you wanna have a pretty good read that your opponent is gonna call with K high.

I'd much rather check/call expecting to lose most times because your hand sucks.

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I don't understand why you would rather do that.

Could you please elaborate?

[flawless_victory]

im really surprised at the responses in this thread.
this is the most clear checkcall in the history of holdem i think...

[flawless_victory]

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Let's say the opponent is a typical 45/15/1.5 with some trickyness in him. Do you still prefer bet/fold and never check/call?

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The problem with check/calling this against an opponent who can read hands a bit is that it will be obvious you have a small pair and you let them value bet with impunity (and hardly ever bluff). I haven't discovered the best way to deal with these rivers against bad but thinking players, but check/calling seems very ineffectual.

[/ QUOTE ]check/fold of course.

[helpmeout]

You dont beat enough to value bet but it is a ragged board that even loose passives will bluff.

They also really love bluffing when the board pairs.

Lots of funky gutshot combinations that this guy would likely have.

Check/fold is also fine if he has minimal river aggression but I find a lot of loose/passives and generally loose players tend to bluff on the end here.