interesting WPT tournament hand

[adanthar]

If there's a bet and raise when it gets back, you play poker, but that's actually a better reason for checkraising than betting (you find out there's a potential problem for 1200 less chips.) I'm not worried about a 6 way KQx pot getting checked through at all.

[Che]

Do you guys really have KK in the pro's range? No one is going to raise without a monster given UTG's action and the opportunity to take a cheap flop with massive implied odds, so KK needs to raise to avoid playing a flop against 6 opponents.

I'm not sure about QQ, but I'd be very surprised to see KK. KQ and JT are the most likely hands for villain IMHO.

Edit: A set of x's is also a strong possibility.

Later,
Che

[ekky]

yeah, i was a bit reluctant to include KK here.. although if he was first to act after the UTG donk, he might be calling to try and induce players after him to raise it up.. squeeze play yadda..pot steal yadda, or he mite just want to conceal his hand, and not expect it to have gone 6 handed.

The further it gets from the Donk, the less likely KK will be

[locutus2002]

The hand has been biased by the poster. If you had included the specific cards, it helps to conjure all the nastiest monsters.

Hero pushes.
Hero has TPTK against what is most likely JT or a pair with 2 spades. I don't know the 1 chip rule myself, but I do know that donkey or not, you will look like a complete fool if you fold the best hand on TV and will have to face yourself everyday.

If he's behind, hero probably has outs, otherwise he went down with a respectable hand.

[ansky451]

I think the answer is very dependent on the previous action on the table. The internet donk may have a weak-tight image, but does he have the "ability to fold tptk getting 3-1 against a known aggro player" image? It sounds ridiculous, but I think it is very important to know exactly how people have seen him play.

Also, it depends who the name pro is. I think someone like Tuan Li, would have a wider range then a (uh... better) player like Daniel Negreanu, who probably wouldn't give the internet donk credit to fold AK (which he very obviously has on the turn). I know there is only so much that can be learned from TV poker, but if the name pro was say... David Williams, I insta-call (If only because of that Q7o hand when he was HU vs Negreanu).

I really doubt the name pro would be flat calling a 1200 bet with 4 players to act behind him, with something like KJ, so I think he either has set/2 pr, or a semi-bluff draw TJ type hand.

This hand would be much easier at the table IMO.

[ansky451]

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I don't know the 1 chip rule myself, but I do know that donkey or not, you will look like a complete fool if you fold the best hand on TV and will have to face yourself everyday.


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Judging by the levels, this was not a hand played on TV. It probably was day 1 or 2 of a WPT event, in which only the final table is televised. He doesn't have to worry about his buddies making fun of him for folding here.

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If there's a bet and raise when it gets back that's actually a better reason for checkraising

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[Nordberg]

First off, the UTG player is a huge donkey for not saying raise. You'd think that he/she would learn his lesson, but I bet you this same problem shows up in a later live tournament.

As for the hand, I am putting the aggro kid squarely on KJ and instantly moving all in. But then again, that's just my read, I could be wrong.

Just to clarify, the rule's in place so casinos don't have to make change. Verbal declaration = key in live games.

[ansky451]

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As for the hand, I am putting the aggro kid squarely on KJ and instantly moving all in.

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I suppose it's possible, but I think KJ is very unlikely, and would be a horribly played hand by the "pro." He knows the internet donk meant to raise, and therefore wants to play a hand with big implied odds, and NOT KJ. KJ has horrible reverse implied odds (as can be seen in this hand), and if he is playing KJ its KJs. I think knowing the openers range, I'd fold KJ in an instant on this flop if the internet donk bet into 5 players, and I was next to act. If I was closing the action... yeah I'd probably call and re-evaluate the turn. But the chances are way too high that someone has Kx(x being the other card, not a random kicker), KQ, or xx.

The weak tight internet donk will not be betting into 5 players there without a hand that has KJ crushed. If the "pro" doesnt see that, I'd like to see his "pro" badge.