Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Hold'em

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-06-2003, 10:27 AM
marbles marbles is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Wauwatosa, WI
Posts: 568
Default frozen

I must have really looked stupid on this one...

4 limpers, SB completes, I check with T7o.

Flop comes A97 rainbow. I check, first limper (UTG+1 IIRC) bets, 4 callers, SB folds and I call, figuring 5 outs.

Turn is another 7, putting a flush draw on the board. Ahhh. I check, UTG+1 bets as expected, and I'm looking forward to my checkraise. Two callers, and now the button raises! Startled, I cold-call and the others call.

River is little offsuit card. I KNOW I should bet, but my hand sneaks off and clicks the check button against my wishes. It gets checked around.

***edit: Upon revisiting the hand history, there was no flush draw on the board as of the turn. Sorry... Details get fuzzy in my head sometimes.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-06-2003, 10:36 AM
ZManODS ZManODS is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: NY
Posts: 568
Default Re: frozen

Not much of a response, more of a question.

Is it smart to bet with 5 outs when you have lowest pair?
5 outs = around 1:3.9 odds right? There is about 11 sb's by the time it gets to you, so you have about 11:1 pot odds. So im assumming its correct then... Is this correct?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-06-2003, 11:46 AM
marbles marbles is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Wauwatosa, WI
Posts: 568
Default Re: frozen

It is sometimes correct to bet with bottom pair, but pot odds have nothing to do it. If the game is tight enough, you could do it to fold a bigger pair, overcards, or an ace. Doesn't apply in this case though.

When calculating pot odds (for calling, mind you, not betting), I generally just figure for one street (i.e. one card). That would mean the probability of success on my turn card would be 5/47, or 1 in 9.4. Throw in some implied odds and a small probability of a free card on the turn, and I'm generally fine with 7:1 or so on a bottom pair call. And naturally, game texture and bettor position factor in, too. In short, it depends.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-06-2003, 11:49 AM
Nottom Nottom is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hokie Country
Posts: 4,030
Default Re: frozen

HEFAP recomends semibluffing with middle pair and an overcard. In this situation, I think I would check-fold since with the ace out there and so many people, the semibluff isn't going to work very often and even if you hit your 10, you may be against a bigger two-pair (AT or T9).
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-06-2003, 12:00 PM
marbles marbles is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Wauwatosa, WI
Posts: 568
Default Re: frozen

"In this situation, I think I would check-fold since with the ace out there and so many people, the semibluff isn't going to work very often and even if you hit your 10, you may be against a bigger two-pair (AT or T9)."

--Interesting and true. In this case, though, I was looking at some pretty nice pot odds and I was closing the action... Tough to pass up.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.