Stratosphere taking money from their dealers?

[Chipr777]

I know many places poker dealers have to tip out to the brush but a forced toke to the floor is insane.

[W. Deranged]

Foxwoods' policy that the dealers pool their tips (including with the pit dealers) is extremely destructive and one of the only major complaints I have about Foxwoods (otherwise I think their room is one of the best run rooms you'll find).

Foxwoods has a mix of very competent, quick, knowledgeable dealers and total rookies who can't manage 12 hands a half hour. There is little incentive for dealers to do anything because any individual tables tip output does basically nothing to their bottom line. It also eliminates the best mechanism for weeding out "the weak" among the dealers.

Just a rant.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Tipping out the brush or chip runners is normal, and fine with me. Tipping out the floor is where I draw the line on reasonable behavior.

al

[itsmarty]

The restaurant analogy is faulty because you're either tipping "down" (waiters/bartenders to busboys/barbacks) or in the case of waiters tipping bartenders, it's assumed that the bartender is missing out on tips of his own while working the service bar.

Aside from that, I think floor people should be required to refuse all tips, because impartiality is an integral part of their job.

Martin

[Bulbarainey]

at my cousin's strip club all the dancers have to tip out the DJ $1/per song that they did a private dance... I don't think that kind of thing is abnormal at min wage+tip jobs, but I thought the floormen already made a decent salary

[Bill Bixby]

Remind me to never tip again at the Strat.

[dicelumpY2005]

Hate to break it to you, Photo and Al, but the dealers are pressured to do the same thing at the MGM. The best is the announcement you'll hear once in a while: "dealers, we're short on chip runners tonight, so if you wouldn't mind helping out on your break..." Keep in mind this is a floor you will hear that announcement from. Does that make any sense? We should be told to run chips ON OUR BREAKS by the same management we're tipping, that isn't on break? Hmmm....

[Michael O'Malley]

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OMGG!!! THANK you so much for all the advice!

Sorry bud, I'm a dealer in Vegas, have been for years, and this is NOT s.o.p. for dealers whatsoever. I know what bartending and so on is, but there is not one place where dealers have to tip out until now.


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That is entirely not true...at all. L.A., Vegas, lots of places. Most large rooms. For years and years.

[Randy_Refeld]

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It should be noted that in rooms which do use this (IMO destructive) practice, $5 a day is the "standard" not $15.

al

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It depends where you are. I have worked in a large room where $15 was standard for an 8 hour shift.

[Randy_Refeld]

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I haved worked in this business for 9 years and never once see a "forced tip" to someone that is salaried and making about 190/day (assumed over 10 hours by industry average). Well I wont be tipping at the counter anymore when they cash me out.

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That guy makeing the 190, 200 or whatever a shift is still making less than he would be dealing. Fair or not a system liek this makes it easier to get the poeple you would wnat to work on the floor to actually do it. A lot of palces you see the weakest dealers become floormen because they are the only ones willing to do it (it is too much of a cut in pay for the better dealers).