Limping with AA/KK in EP: Always, sometimes, never?

[ticks]

I was planning to limp-reraise, yes.
And no, I would never reraise the min.

When there is no raise,
you get a small consolation prize:
No one can guess your hand.
Which turned out to be very useful on the flop.
(no need to tell me I got very lucky)

[BZ_Zorro]

At $25NL you're better off leading out for $2-5 or open pushing. At least half the time you get a caller or two or a short stack going all in.

At higher levels I never limp AA/KK either.

[punter11235]

Hello,

My solution is to never raise UTG. As I think that raising UTG with hands other than AA/KK/QQ would be chip spewing and raising with only this hands would give to much information, Ive chosen to never raise and often reraise depending on who raised the pot (sometimes I reraise even with JJ if raiser is very loose). I generally take it down after my reraise (which is always big) but sometimes somebody venture the call. I almost never slowplay my AA/KK unless it will be head-up and raise is just too tempting big.
I think that raising UTG give too much information to be profitable play. My limp/reraising give the same inforamtion but at least there is something in the pot to win. I make nice profit with this strategy , probably because I play in generally agressive games and I have some good reads on my opponents.

Best wishes

[amoeba]

4 to the flop, I think you should raise the flop with that flush draw there.

[ticks]

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At $25NL you're better off leading out for $2-5 or open pushing. At least half the time you get a caller or two or a short stack going all in.


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You are probably more experienced than me,
but I think a 2-5$ raise is way too high.
People call HALF the time?
In my experience its more like 10-20% of the time.
I never lead out for more than 1,5$.
Fcuk the blinds, I want a caller dammit!

[JaBlue]

I am generally raising so much that I have to also do it with aces and kings. This might be a flaw in my game because limping in EP might be giving away too much info.

I think if you are playing against a regular set of players that you will see often i.e. home game or long session, it is much more important to be limping with big hands at least some of the time because if you don't, they'll know when you limp that you DONT have AA/KK/QQ or whatever.

[amoeba]

I think a key component of limp reraising AA/KK has been missed here.

limp reraising is not about disguising your hand unless if you limp reraise with a wide spectrum of hands.

the value of limp reraising is that you don't raise and get called multiway behind you and have an unweildy pot out of position on the flop.

Example. 100xBB stacks.

I raise to 4x or 5x BB with AA/KK UTG, I get called 4or 5 ways behind me (for every additional caller, the next caller gets better odds to call).

pot on the flop is 25BB. and flop comes something like JT4 2 suited.

I have 95 left. well damn, sucks to be me doesn't it. I have to bet to charge draws but what do I do if I'm minraised? if I'm called?

I can't underbet this flop but if I bet regularly, say 15bb to 20bb, pot size becomes the same as my remaining stack on the turn. now what do I do? bet half pot fold to all in? check and hope for check behind?

the limp reraise avoids this.

[ticks]

some valuable info here.
thanks.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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Limping with AA/KK in EP: Always, sometimes, never?


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Yes.

[EverettKings]

A key problem with limp reraising has been missed.

In a loose passive game if you raise 4-5x in EP and get a bundle of callers, ergo the problem. But in this kind of a game if you limp you are unlikely to get the chance to reraise. Most likely you limp, and 8 people see the flop of JT4 two suited. Yeah the pot's smaller, but now it will be even more impossible to figure out where you stand. Now JT and T4 and J4 and baby flush and straight draws out the wazoo are all real possibilities (especially from the blinds). It's a zoo and your reverse implied odds are sky high.

It would be easier if I'd raised 5x, gotten 3 callers and seen this flop. I at least have some idea of their holdings. My only real fear is JJ or TT. If someone called my pf raise with JT or 44 OK, but I still don't have to stack off to them. More often this is where I value bet the pants off of AJ, or just take it down with a flop bet.


Kings