TPGK against the overly tight

[Bill Smith]

Plenty of hands on MP1: Overly tight aggressive player (8/4/2.82).

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (9.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero wants to know who would fold here.

Final Pot: 11.16 BB

[DMBFan23]

once MP2 folds I just call the flop and turn.

[Sir Limps Alot]

I would not fold here. His style of play seems to hint at a pair of Qs or Ks. Hence the call of the raise on the flop.
Then the call on the turn.
Your check on the river will make any Pair bet because you show weakness. I would have bet out or called.

[PotatoStew]

Heads up for one bet I don't think I'd fold here. KK and QQ are possibilities, aren't they? Unless you know he's super tight post-flop as well. But you only need to be ahead 10% of the time here, right?

[chief444]

Bet the river. QQ or KK will call but not always bet.

After you check you absolutely need to call.

[ErrantNight]

you can't be aggressive, check on the river, get bet into, and fold.

it's bad poker.

yes, it's correct sometimes... but start from there and find the exceptions.

if you thought you were behind you should not have raised the flop.

if you think that a worse hand would have folded before now... why on earth did you ever raise, since you would have wanted them bluffing at you the whole way?

incidentally, the raise on the flop is aiiight, but calling would be ok.

and even if you had been calling down, you should lead the river. As has been stated elsewhere, KK, QQ may check behind but will call a bet.

[mr pink]

yeah i'm with dmb here,

why charge yourself the most when you're behind? or give him a chance to fold his KK or QQ or whatever.

[ErrantNight]

btw... dmb... that is the greatest avatar... ever. alizee bending over not-withstanding.

[chief444]

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if you thought you were behind you should not have raised the flop.

if you think that a worse hand would have folded before now... why on earth did you ever raise, since you would have wanted them bluffing at you the whole way?


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I agree. I would check/call the flop and turn and possibly lead the river. Although an opponent this aggressive may bet the river anyway and if you lead may realize that there's a good chance a river raise with a worse hand wins without showdown.

[ErrantNight]

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if you thought you were behind you should not have raised the flop.

if you think that a worse hand would have folded before now... why on earth did you ever raise, since you would have wanted them bluffing at you the whole way?


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I agree. I would check/call the flop and turn and possibly lead the river. Although an opponent this aggressive may bet the river anyway and if you lead may realize that there's a good chance a river raise with a worse hand wins without showdown.

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against a player this aggressive i definitely call a river raise.